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Since our first conversation, Senator Schumer has released a statement about Mahmoud Khalil, writing that if the Trump administration's Department of Homeland Security can't show that there are criminal charges against Khalil, they are violating the First Amendment and should let him go. This conversation was produced by Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon. Mixing by Sophia Landman.

Since our first conversation, Senator Schumer has released a statement about Mahmoud Khalil, writing that if the Trump administration's Department of Homeland Security can't show that there are criminal charges against Khalil, they are violating the First Amendment and should let him go. This conversation was produced by Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon. Mixing by Sophia Landman.

Original music by Dan Powell and Marion Lozano. Photography by Philip Montgomery. Our senior booker is Priya Matthew. And Wyatt Orme is our producer. Our executive producer is Alison Benedict. Special thanks to Reid Epstein, Afim Shapiro, Rory Walsh, Renan Borelli, Jeffrey Miranda, Maddy Macielo, Jake Silverstein, Paula Schumann, and Sam Dolnik.

Original music by Dan Powell and Marion Lozano. Photography by Philip Montgomery. Our senior booker is Priya Matthew. And Wyatt Orme is our producer. Our executive producer is Alison Benedict. Special thanks to Reid Epstein, Afim Shapiro, Rory Walsh, Renan Borelli, Jeffrey Miranda, Maddy Macielo, Jake Silverstein, Paula Schumann, and Sam Dolnik.

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Next week, David talks to Dr. Lindsay Gibson, author of the book Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents, which has gone viral on social media.

Next week, David talks to Dr. Lindsay Gibson, author of the book Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents, which has gone viral on social media.

I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro, and this is The Interview from The New York Times.

I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro, and this is The Interview from The New York Times.

From The New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro. Last weekend, governors from both parties converged in Washington for their annual gathering. As is traditional, they met with the president as a group.

From The New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro. Last weekend, governors from both parties converged in Washington for their annual gathering. As is traditional, they met with the president as a group.

As is not so traditional, President Trump took the opportunity to scold Maine's Democratic governor, Janet Mills, over her opposition to his executive order banning transgender women from women's sports.

As is not so traditional, President Trump took the opportunity to scold Maine's Democratic governor, Janet Mills, over her opposition to his executive order banning transgender women from women's sports.

That interaction is one example of the increasingly antagonistic relationship between the president and Democratic governors. This time around, Trump is adopting a more punitive posture towards those he perceives as defying him. And liberal governors now have to decide how to respond. Among them, Maura Healey of Massachusetts.

That interaction is one example of the increasingly antagonistic relationship between the president and Democratic governors. This time around, Trump is adopting a more punitive posture towards those he perceives as defying him. And liberal governors now have to decide how to respond. Among them, Maura Healey of Massachusetts.