Lulu Garcia Navarro
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first heard Dec 2024
last heard 13 Jun
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The Daily · 'The Interview': Rick Steves Refuses To Get Cynical About the World · 14 Dec 2024
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And so it resonated so much reading this because through the journey, right, not everything ends up changing the course of your life, but the seeds of maybe what you're going to become, you know, you can often find them when you have these incredible experiences. And I just found that to be true reading about 23-year-old Rick Steves.
Absolutely serendipitous.
Travel teacher. Is that how you see yourself?
Rick, in those days when you were doing that sort of circumambulation of Europe, what did you learn about Americans abroad? Like, what did you see in having these experiences over and over and over again with your countrymen in Europe?
And so that's what you'd say the Rick Steves philosophy is. It's to take something and come back changed for the better by it.
I do want to pick up on this idea of escape travel versus reality travel. That's a really nice framing because I hear you making the case for a particular type of immersive, respectful kind of travel. And I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that that's not how most people approach their vacations.
I'm thinking of especially the modern idea of going somewhere simply because you're going to be able to post on social media about it. What do you think of that approach of how things seem to have changed now where the performative nature of travel has taken over or has it?
In the 1980s during the civil wars in Central America.
Which is a Catholic idea that you help the poor, that you try and give liberation through spiritual teaching. And it was very popular in the 1980s. And he was assassinated.
You said three ways that you can travel. You can travel as a tourist.
A traveler. And then the third one was as a pilgrim.
Explain to me the third one. I get the distinction between the first two.
I'm listening to you talk, and the philosophy is beautiful. This idea of communion with the world, with connection with other people. But there is a shift happening in the world right now, I think, towards isolationism, nativism, a fundamental suspicion of difference. We're in a world that travels... More than it ever has. And yet, what seems to be happening is not what you would hope.
And I'm just wondering what you make of those changes.
But isn't that what a guidebook is ultimately? It's, I mean, they're just placing value on a different thing, which is an image and a place. But I mean, a guidebook points you to a certain direction and tells you this is the thing that you need to go do in this particular place.
Do you think social media is ruining travel? I'm thinking about how most people I know, especially younger people, get their travel recommendations from TikTok and from Instagram.
We've seen protests in Europe over tourism. In Barcelona, residents this summer were squirting visitors with water guns and chanting things like, tourists go home.
Is there anywhere that you regret having popularized?
So wait, I'm hearing a lot of different things.
How do you feel about that transformation? Because there's the good stuff, they're affluent, but then there's the bad stuff that their way of life is changing, which is at the center of this industry that you've given your life to.
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