Maggie Hinders

But I really got a lot more of a sense of the value of being able to tell someone else in words what I'm doing and how that is another way to include them in my thought process or to just communicate.

And crossing that barrier for me from

nonverbal to verbal is one of the big helps that I got out of just doing some of the exercises and listening to the modules on the positions.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was very grounding.

I like that word for it because it just did make me feel like, oh, okay, there's a world and I have a position in it.

I know where I am.

And I could find myself instead of just feeling like some kind of floating particle, you know, that didn't really have a home, you know, or belonging.

So that was, yeah, that was just kind of miraculous.

And I'm,

I think that's kind of where I am with it.

Just to take something that's so amorphous, and because my work is abstract, so that's even amorphous.

And then to talk about it, you get into all kinds of weird language that sounds like spiritual and, you know, consciousness and all that shit.

I don't know.

It just doesn't sound like anything to people, you know.

Yeah, I started on that and I could see the potential for just filling out.

It really does just make you think about yourself in multiple ways.

In the William Pajero thing, there's the example of the person first.

the craftsperson from Finley, Ohio.