Malcolm Turnbull

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The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 195. Can the West Reclaim its Power from Trump? (Malcolm Turnbull) · 28 Jun 2026 podcast

And I mean, I think part of the problem with spooks, and we've all dealt with them over the years in different capacities, is that when people are living in a secret world, it is very, very easy to develop conspiracy theories and to become very, very conspiratorial.

I mean, I had an experience with this when I was first, you know, a very young lawyer before Spycatcher.

When I defended Kerry Packer, I remember in the early 80s, he was accused of all sorts of crimes, murder, drug trafficking, whole lot of stuff by a Royal Commission that had gone, really run off the rails and had all these secret hearings

You know, again, there's a lot of books written about this, but and it was bonkers, but it's the kind of thing that happens.

So that's why, you know, you need that's why sunlight is so important.

It's why transparency oversight is so critically important.

And, you know, whenever governments are saying, oh, it's classified, you can't look at this, you can't look at that.

I accept some things have to be classified, but there is so much that goes on.

Once you put that veil of secrecy over it, there is so much crazy stuff that will go on underneath that cloak and which, of course, can end up misleading government, but also doing a lot of injustice.

It's certainly the closest we've got to date.

I don't think it's gone forever.

I mean, it was, you know, unfortunately in our system, I mean, we've got a couple of things in our electoral system which I strongly commend to you in the UK.

Strongly commend to you.

Compulsory voting.

Yeah.

Yeah, and preferential voting.

I mean, if you guys don't move to both or at least preferential voting, you will end up with a democracy with very little legitimacy because you'll have more and more people winning constituencies

with a plurality of 20% or something like that.

I mean, it's just, I think it's with a five party system plus smaller parties and independence, first past the post doesn't work.

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