195. Can the West Reclaim its Power from Trump? (Malcolm Turnbull)
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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We cannot ignore the reality of Trump. Donald Trump has said the rules-based order is bullshit. That's what he said. America's intent towards us, America's closest allies, may not be benign. Ten years ago, you would have said that's just ridiculous. AUKUS is a really bad deal. for Australia. We're pouring billions and billions of Australian taxpayers' dollars to support a British shipbuilding industry and submarine industrial base that cannot build submarines in any timely fashion. Is Rupert Murdoch evil? I don't think you would have had Brexit without Rupert.
How has Trump's presidency affected global alliances?
I don't think you would have had Trump without Rupert. Rupert has been the loudest, most influential single voice to stand against action on global warming. Brexit, Trump and climate denial, I don't think that's a great list of achievements.
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What criticisms does Malcolm Turnbull have about AUKUS?
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Welcome to the Restless Politics Leading with me, Rory Stewart.
And me, Alistair Campbell. And we're absolutely delighted to be with Malcolm Turnbull, who was Australia's 29th Prime Minister. His political rise came after a very successful career as a banker, but also one of Australia's top barristers, who is already famous in the UK as the lawyer who prosecuted the case against the Thatcher government's efforts to ban a book written by a guy called Peter Wright, who was a former MI5 spy. He was a Rhodes scholar, studied at Brasenose College, Oxford, and Spycatcher was not his only run-in with the British establishment because he also led the referendum campaign to try to remove Rory's beloved Her Majesty the Queen as Australia's head of state. Now, Malcolm Turnbull's term in office, September 2015 to August 2018, roughly coincided or overlapped with Donald Trump's first term, so doubtless the Trump word will come up from time to time.
But he had two spells as the leader of the Liberal Party, that's Australia's equivalent of our Tories. He was ousted twice on both occasions in part because the right wing of his party did not like his progressive stance on climate. He can also point to same-sex marriage in Australia as part of his legacy, and he labels himself as the sensible centre. Hence, fairly regular criticism of his Liberal Party, thinks it's going too far to the right to compete with One Nation, their populist right-wing party, and also his fairly frequent denunciations of Rupert Murdoch.
How does Turnbull view the role of Rupert Murdoch in politics?
Now, my first direct experience of an Australian prime minister was Paul Keating, one of my Labour heroes. Then in came John Howard of the Liberal Party, who was prime minister for more than 11 years. Since then, there have been six more prime ministers And only one current incumbent, Anthony Albanese, has lasted more than four years. So Britain is not the only country to suffer this prime ministerial churn with our half dozen since the Brexit referendum a decade ago.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:48
2
How has Trump's presidency affected global alliances?
0:48–1:56
3
What criticisms does Malcolm Turnbull have about AUKUS?
1:56–3:45
4
How does Turnbull view the role of Rupert Murdoch in politics?
3:45–6:25
5
What are the implications of US dependency on Australia and the UK?
6:25–10:49
6
How does Turnbull assess the current state of Australian politics?
10:49–20:15
7
What challenges does Australia face with rising populism?
20:15–27:33
8
How does Turnbull propose Australia should innovate economically?
27:33–1:07:53
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