Marina Hyde

Yeah, and it brings in an audience that they don't have.

And that is something that you can't really put a price on because there were regular stories of things would come out of the set and say it was difficult.

You could see what was up there on the screen, which was that it trod a very fine line.

I mean, I find it pretty bleak, actually, and I don't know...

And a lot of the time, I just think this is actually quite exploitative.

I think lots of people have heard lots of stories about Sam Levinson that they can't necessarily say in public.

Again, I would say that he's not necessarily well-loved, Richard.

I will say that, look at what's on the screen.

A lot of it's up there on the screen and you can decide whether that comes from a place of, you know, love and understanding or whether it comes from a place that seeks shock value at almost all costs.

And the actors themselves would say in interviews, yeah, I know I've pushed back on certain things.

I think because even your actors are saying, I push back on this.

And even Sidney Sweeney is saying, I'm actually asked if I could put my shirt back on in a few scenes.

There's something about they are aware that there's a perception that they're being exploited and they don't want to show that they are.

They want to say, I own this.

I do this on purpose.

I own this.

In the new season, she's trying to be an OnlyFans girl and there's a lot of... I mean, she's done up as a dog at certain points.

I don't know.

I'm sure she's a strong, independent woman.

And anyway, so...