Mark Bowden

However, it's about the wrong thing.

It's about the wrong thing.

It's not about her friend and the feeling that she's going through or the person captured potentially in the feelings that they're going through.

It's about the crack on the voice first comes on the name of the child.

Yeah.

And then on the image of the arm around the child having their arm around and then and then.

the name of mummy okay so it's it's all about her as a child as as and her relationship to her child which is which absolutely could be evoking some real emotions okay and i absolutely i think that's why your to your assessment the body language isn't that bad it's because she's comfortable she's a narcissist she's comfortable talking about how this is affecting her

Absolutely.

So the emotions have some reality to them.

They're just the wrong subject to be talking about there and then.

And it easily happens.

When somebody has a crisis, you'll often go, hey, well, you know, I've had something like that crisis before, and you'll try and out-crisis them.

Exactly.

This is when you know that you're probably not being the best friend you possibly could.

Always a pleasure, Maureen.

Always.

That's why this is such a provocation.

Maureen, thanks for having me.

A new year, but some of the old candidates back in the frame, I think.

Some of the old troublemakers still with us.