Mark Hughes

And how was it when you were there compared to your dad's era and compared to now?

Because you're sort of in the middle of those points in time.

Had to go on strike, get in a bus, go to a hotel, blockade themselves in.

It was as radical as that.

So they have this enormous...

power as a group, but they're highly individualistic people.

In fact, they're probably the last bastion of the age of the individual that we've lived through, in the West anyway.

But it's not used.

And I think probably they've been tamed by the safety

and the money.

But certainly, even though they were a fairly radical bunch of pirates and chancers in the 60s, they had enormous power there and it was used.

It was used mainly by Jackie Stewart with support from your dad and Jochen Rindt and people like that.

And they had enormous opposition to the changes that they wanted to make.

But their lives were literally on the line and they were fighting literally for their lives.

So it can be done.

But I think they're probably a little bit too comfortable to now to go against that individualistic approach.

tendencies.

So all we've got at the minute is Max saying, I might stop because I don't really like these cars.

That's as radical as it's got.

Really?