Mark Rutte

This is crucial stuff Ukraine needs.

So in that sense, I think U.S., the president, Europe, NATO working together is a strong signal.

And he's not strong on the battlefield either, because if you have so many losses and you only gain a couple of square miles a week, I mean, nothing to show for it.

But I think you're absolutely right.

The economy is in difficulty.

We see the long lines now waiting at the gasoline stations to fill up the cars.

We have seen the Russians deciding to bring down the exports to countries like India and Turkey, oil and gas, etc.

And this is also because the Ukrainians are successful in targeting the Russian oil infrastructure.

And it is famously difficult to get an oil refinery up and running again after it has been hit by a missile or a drone.

So the Ukrainians are good at this.

I always thought that they had this fantastic central banker somehow in Russia who was able to paper over the problems.

But I think she cannot any longer.

And it's now the cracks are showing.

And the Russian economy is in difficulty.

You're totally right.

Well, I should not speculate about that, I think, in public media.

But obviously, we are in constant discussion, the Americans, the European allies with the Ukrainians.

How can we help you best?

And all options are always on the table.

But obviously, we should not...