Mark Sainsbury

When the worst thing is, you'll be out somewhere and you've got a mate who's going, Oh, you must remember Mark, he was on TV.

And they're going...

Oh, you know, trying to be sort of, you know, I've got no idea who that guy is, you know.

But yeah, I worked for TVNZ for a long time and it was great fun.

It really was good fun.

It's always funny.

I mean, it's always when the boot's on the other foot.

It never is.

Journalists usually are the worst people.

Some love it.

Some will talk about themselves sort of endlessly.

Yeah, you get used to asking other people questions and not so much taking them yourself.

There's a few bits and pieces online, like things you've done with Duncan Garner, things you've done with Matt and Gerry on Hauraki, but nothing... Well, so I always, and when I was in the job, when I got the close-up gig, and I'd worked up with Paul Holmes.

When Paul was there, everything centred around Paul.

You know, the reporters were sort of second-class citizens and the thing.

And I always thought if I was ever there, I want to be more – you don't have to grab all the limelight yourself.

You want to try and share the love.

I also avoided doing any interviews or publicity stuff and everything like that, which everyone – people used to get paid for doing it back in those days, some of them.

But I was always of the view that if you didn't push yourself and your family out there, if your kids got into some kind of shit –

You could say, look, hey, I've never used them.