Mark Watson

We're not the best in the world anymore.

We don't have the best competition.

Other countries do.

They play differently, and to get players from each one of them would be beneficial to the All Blacks.

George Bell's way better than Riccatelli.

I think Bell's a better player.

He's awesome.

When you got Toki Aho and Cody Taylor.

You need to find a new young hooker to come through, not a guy who's just as old as them and not as good.

With MPC plus Super Rugby.

Those are for the best players, though, aren't they?

In super rugby, that's like the maximum you can earn.

And you get taxed on that as well.

What, 30, 40 percent?

You know, down to about $100.

Yeah, I know, but then if you're putting your body on the line and you can get paid two, three, four times that in France or Japan or England, then why wouldn't you go?

I agree.

To a point.

I think it's not on the pedestal it used to be.

Rugby was the be-all and end-all, and I think that's the era that Mark's coming from, and he wants it to be that forever.