Mark Watson

But there's so many other options out there for everyone.

Really, you know, if it's not a good game of rugby, you can switch the channel and see a million other sports these days.

There used to be Sky Sport when it started.

That was about it, wasn't it?

And that was it.

Now there's just so many sports and it's in a difficult marketplace and the crowds are down.

I think that's definitely a negative that we can all agree on.

But I think the TV viewership's up.

The engagement is up with social media.

And I know you guys love that with the likes and the Instagrams and everything.

And I must say from going to my son's junior club at Northcote,

Junior rugby is on a massive high.

We've got more teams this year than we've had the year before and the year before that.

So kids are joining in their droves, boys and girls, especially girls.

It's on a massive up at a club level in terms of junior participation.

So I don't think we hear a lot about that being trumpeted, do we, in New Zealand?

We're like, oh, it's dying among kids.

They all want to play soccer and basketball now.

Well, from what I'm seeing with my own eyes, that's not true.

I think it's absolutely flourishing at a junior level.