Marty Baron

And now that's not the Steele dossier.

And I think we need to draw a distinction between the Steele dossier, which wasn't actually a dossier per se, but a bunch of reports that was commissioned by the Democrats.

That's right.

But ultimately, the Democrats inherited it.

That's correct.

So it was not verified.

And we didn't publish a word of it, even though we knew about it, because we weren't able to verify the allegations and the other sensational allegations that were in the Steele report.

And then it was BuzzFeed and CNN that actually published the contents.

And then the dam broke.

And then Trump addressed it.

And once he addressed it, we obviously had to say what he was talking about.

But we never verified that.

And that's different.

Those are two different things.

And I think it's really important to draw a distinction between those two.

And we did draw a distinction between those two.

Yes, yes.

Well, you're intimately familiar with that.

Yeah, six years, basically.

Well, yeah, look, I mean, when Bezos bought it, he changed the strategy of the Post.