Marty Makary

And then, you know, kind of what got us to this point where when you look at the data, you're like, wait a second.

That may not make as much sense, yeah.

That may not make as much sense, yeah.

What's frustrating to me to observe is there are now states like California and the California DPH that are saying, we're gonna set our own vaccine schedule.

What's frustrating to me to observe is there are now states like California and the California DPH that are saying, we're gonna set our own vaccine schedule.

We're not gonna listen to the FDA, to the HHS anymore because they don't know what they're doing because they're Trump admin, they're not doctors, they're not scientists.

We're not gonna listen to the FDA, to the HHS anymore because they don't know what they're doing because they're Trump admin, they're not doctors, they're not scientists.

Clearly this is all political.

Clearly this is all political.

And is there a process of engagement that you and your organization go through to try and bring some of these other folks along with you?

And is there a process of engagement that you and your organization go through to try and bring some of these other folks along with you?

Because I think the point you just made

Because I think the point you just made

can't be a point that they can fundamentally disagree with.

can't be a point that they can fundamentally disagree with.

What is the process by which we can break the political rancor around things like vaccines and just take a very clear cut scientific approach and get people aligned around this?

What is the process by which we can break the political rancor around things like vaccines and just take a very clear cut scientific approach and get people aligned around this?

Do you do engagement on this stuff?

Do you do engagement on this stuff?

Do you find that there's a path forward?