Marty Makary

Do you find that there's a path forward?

So it's not good for science.

So it's not good for science.

Most great scientists start out as heretics, just to be clear, by the way.

Most great scientists start out as heretics, just to be clear, by the way.

Yes, that's right.

Yes, that's right.

So Marty, one of the other big challenges that we talk a lot about in this country is the cost of drugs.

So Marty, one of the other big challenges that we talk a lot about in this country is the cost of drugs.

Healthcare today costs roughly 15% of our GDP.

Healthcare today costs roughly 15% of our GDP.

That's an insane statistic, and it is rising year after year in the United States, and it's such a complex issue.

That's an insane statistic, and it is rising year after year in the United States, and it's such a complex issue.

By some measurements, though,

By some measurements, though,

The price of drugs in the United States is almost three times what it is outside the United States.

The price of drugs in the United States is almost three times what it is outside the United States.

So I'd love to hear a little bit about the specific role of pricing drugs.

So I'd love to hear a little bit about the specific role of pricing drugs.

What sort of actions have you guys taken and can you take to help bring down the price of drugs for patients, for care providers, for insurance companies, and ultimately for the economy?