Marty Makary

And this is something that your agency regulates.

So making animal proteins, eggs and cheese and milk and so on using bacterial or yeast cells rather than making them from the animal, you get the same protein, you just use a different mechanism of making that protein, or cellular meat where they're actually growing the chicken breast or growing the beef.

So making animal proteins, eggs and cheese and milk and so on using bacterial or yeast cells rather than making them from the animal, you get the same protein, you just use a different mechanism of making that protein, or cellular meat where they're actually growing the chicken breast or growing the beef.

There's historically been a system called GRAS or generally recognized as safe that a lot of the companies have relied on as they've developed these techniques and these protocols.

There's historically been a system called GRAS or generally recognized as safe that a lot of the companies have relied on as they've developed these techniques and these protocols.

You've made a few changes.

You've made a few changes.

Maybe you can kind of highlight the balance between innovation because the benefit of these

Maybe you can kind of highlight the balance between innovation because the benefit of these

systems, lower cost, less energy, and you take the animal out, less cruelty.

systems, lower cost, less energy, and you take the animal out, less cruelty.

There's an ethical driver for some of us.

There's an ethical driver for some of us.

Yes.

Yes.

But I'd love to hear the view on balancing those benefits against the risks to consumer health.

But I'd love to hear the view on balancing those benefits against the risks to consumer health.

And there's an incredible amount of lobbying pressure from ranchers and animal agriculture against these systems that I'm assuming is starting to kind of make its way into DC.

And there's an incredible amount of lobbying pressure from ranchers and animal agriculture against these systems that I'm assuming is starting to kind of make its way into DC.

We've seen it