Marvin

Oh, yeah.

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Yes, Marvin.

I can completely understand if he was a bucket getter at Michigan State where he was known for being an offensive force a la Kevin Durant, but he wasn't.

He played kind of the same way.

He had the ball a little more often at Michigan State than he did with the Warriors, but he kind of played the same way.

I mean, maybe if he let him get the reins, he wouldn't have been the 35th pick in the draft.

He would have been a lottery pick.

Was he the 35th pick?

I want to say he's a second round pick.

Then Mark Jackson should get a lot of credit.

He's kind of in the Tony Dungy range where I put this really good team together and somebody else took them over the hump.

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Ever since I was a tiny boy, I don't want no candy, I don't need no toys.

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Yes, Marvin.

One of the more awkward conversations that I've ever heard, we were all in the car driving back from San Jose back to San Francisco, and he was on the phone with his wife, on speakerphone, of course, so we could all hear it, and like, Fritzy, why?