Mary McCarthy

That's all it is.

Like, people aren't going to have kids if they don't have houses.

But I was saying to him, well, how many of your friends have girlfriends, you know?

And they don't.

Like, a lot of them don't.

And that's fine.

He's 17.

That's fine.

But when you just look at the research and look at the data, there's fewer boys in their early 20s who are in a couple than there were, fewer men, I should say, than there were, like, 20 years ago.

So it is about promoting...

couples and it's also about housing that's huge like i personally david i just went for it with my kids we didn't have a house um and i just said you know what i got this you see the thing is when you have a child that's when you get the bug that's when you're like oh my god this is amazing and for me it happened when i was 30 and that gave me time to have the number of kids i wanted and not everyone wants to have

numerous kids but if you do want that and you have the time that's texture there i think a lot of that's what happens to a lot of people and the research shows that that they would like to have more yeah if you know their circumstances were different yeah joan um mary is is calling on the government to encourage us to procreate more um what do you think devil era would have made of that

No, that's going to be an intro to the video.

Thank you.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, 303.

So I've been running now for nearly 20 years.

So I started running when I was eight.

So my first marathon, obviously it was my first like competitive marathon race, but it was like my hundredth competitive race.

So I...