Masha Gessen

And now we're moving into foreign quagmires and domestic fighting, and, you know, people are upset about political division again, and you're seeing your countrymen being murdered on national television, and you're not getting richer.

that you're not part of something.

It's just more of people doing things that are not in your interest.

When I talk to people on the right, that is the vulnerability they see for themselves.

But it reflects maybe, at least in this, telling a difference in what Americans were worried about and what Russians in the period in which Putin was rising were worried about.

But you would know better how fair or unfair that characterization is.

The authors have been on the show, if people would like to check that one out.

Yeah, Hussein Agha and Rob Malley.

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But he also lied about the weather. Because it was rainy and, you know, the cameras panned to all these former presidents. And Trump claimed that when he started to speak, the sun came out and the clouds parted, you know, as though God herself were on his side. And it was an easily checkable story. It was definitely not true.

But he also lied about the weather. Because it was rainy and, you know, the cameras panned to all these former presidents. And Trump claimed that when he started to speak, the sun came out and the clouds parted, you know, as though God herself were on his side. And it was an easily checkable story. It was definitely not true.

And then he emerges from this and says, you know, that that's something entirely different than we saw with our lying eyes.

And then he emerges from this and says, you know, that that's something entirely different than we saw with our lying eyes.