Matan Grinberg

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1,930 appearances 2 recordings 2 series first heard Jun 2026 last heard 13 Jun

Matan Grinberg’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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So a couple of things.

One, it's easy when there's only one of them.

But again, as we said, a new model comes out every week.

And if you have to go through the full enterprise process to get every new model in, it's not very easy.

Two is it's also really expensive.

If you're seeing your costs go up like crazy and not having an ROI case, it doesn't make as much sense.

And I think something that's interesting is there's kind of like three phases that we're seeing happen in these enterprises.

So phase one, this was a couple of months ago, was board yells at CEO, hey, Mr. CEO, what's your AI strategy?

CEO was like, shit, I don't know.

CTO, hey, what's our AI strategy?

Let's make sure we adopt AI.

And so then phase two was AI at all costs, token maxing.

Part of your performance reviews, we're going to measure how much you guys use AI.

Everyone, you have to adopt.

That was phase two, right?

Get as many people to adopt as possible.

Phase two happened a lot faster than people might've expected.

And so now we're ending phase three.

Like phase two was kind of like the debauchery, the long night, you know, taking shots, having a great time using all the AI.

Phase three is the hangover where you go and look at the bill and it's like, oh my God, we are spending so much.

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