Matt Amdur

Absolutely. No, I think, and I think, but to the question, but you're right, we didn't have any of those tools. So it looked very different. And I think that the, I think you're right that this is just a generational shift and people are, and this is why I think it's like, this is closer to a dress code than not that the, you know, they're absolutely, I mean, it's kind of amazing.

Absolutely. No, I think, and I think, but to the question, but you're right, we didn't have any of those tools. So it looked very different. And I think that the, I think you're right that this is just a generational shift and people are, and this is why I think it's like, this is closer to a dress code than not that the, you know, they're absolutely, I mean, it's kind of amazing.

This is where I do feel like I'm a fossil that when I entered the workforce and it was a big deal that even in, by the mid nineties, when you went to an East coast tech company, there was like, people were in like business casual to do work.

This is where I do feel like I'm a fossil that when I entered the workforce and it was a big deal that even in, by the mid nineties, when you went to an East coast tech company, there was like, people were in like business casual to do work.

I mean, it was not, I mean, you were only kind of just out of the era where engineers wore ties and the, I mean, obviously I'm like, no, you just wear like blue jeans and the, and why? And I remember thinking that, As a 22-year-old in 1996, why is this company acting like it's a big deal they don't have a dress code? Of course you don't. Of course you don't.

I mean, it was not, I mean, you were only kind of just out of the era where engineers wore ties and the, I mean, obviously I'm like, no, you just wear like blue jeans and the, and why? And I remember thinking that, As a 22-year-old in 1996, why is this company acting like it's a big deal they don't have a dress code? Of course you don't. Of course you don't.

But that's one of those generational shifts. I definitely think, Chris, it absolutely is a generational shift. I do think that the other thing, and this is to get back to that emotional issue, I think, you know, is it Gloria Steinem? Is that Aging is Not for Wimps? Who is that? Is that Bette Davis? It's either Ben Franklin or Mark Twain or Eleanor Roosevelt. Anyway, Aging is Not for Wimps.

But that's one of those generational shifts. I definitely think, Chris, it absolutely is a generational shift. I do think that the other thing, and this is to get back to that emotional issue, I think, you know, is it Gloria Steinem? Is that Aging is Not for Wimps? Who is that? Is that Bette Davis? It's either Ben Franklin or Mark Twain or Eleanor Roosevelt. Anyway, Aging is Not for Wimps.

And I think that it is really hard to age as a technologist because – you do like especially and this is why it's so important to me personally to stay like on the details because once you have a couple of years where you're off the details and you're no longer making individual contributions it becomes really really daunting to to think about like going back and

And I think that it is really hard to age as a technologist because – you do like especially and this is why it's so important to me personally to stay like on the details because once you have a couple of years where you're off the details and you're no longer making individual contributions it becomes really really daunting to to think about like going back and

you don't really know what your role is anymore. You know, in the office space, you know, I'm a people person. And like, what is my role? And I think that there's a great solace to know like, oh, my role is there are a bunch of people here in cubicles and I walk around from cubicle to cubicle. This is the HP, you know, famously. The management by walking around. Walking around. Yeah. And

you don't really know what your role is anymore. You know, in the office space, you know, I'm a people person. And like, what is my role? And I think that there's a great solace to know like, oh, my role is there are a bunch of people here in cubicles and I walk around from cubicle to cubicle. This is the HP, you know, famously. The management by walking around. Walking around. Yeah. And

you would you walk around you know hey how's it going um and that is how you managed and i think that you like that doesn't work in this world and i i think that that i think you've got an entire generation that's having a hard time coming to grips with it and that's why i really wonder about new company formation this idea like we want to act like a startup it's like well funny you should mention startups because startups are all going to work remotely

you would you walk around you know hey how's it going um and that is how you managed and i think that you like that doesn't work in this world and i i think that that i think you've got an entire generation that's having a hard time coming to grips with it and that's why i really wonder about new company formation this idea like we want to act like a startup it's like well funny you should mention startups because startups are all going to work remotely

Or at least have a big remote component. I don't know how things are going to – I mean, obviously, our physical office is still important to us. I'm here now. It's a lab. I mean, it does – and it functions as a meeting space, right? We're going to have our meetup here in a couple of weeks, which everyone is really looking forward to. We have all that goodness that comes from being together.

Or at least have a big remote component. I don't know how things are going to – I mean, obviously, our physical office is still important to us. I'm here now. It's a lab. I mean, it does – and it functions as a meeting space, right? We're going to have our meetup here in a couple of weeks, which everyone is really looking forward to. We have all that goodness that comes from being together.

I don't think anyone wants to say that there's no value in physically being together. It's just that That does not make sense for 100% of your at-work activities. I also think the other thing, by the way, and Chris, I'd love to get your take on this. Does this come up? Because the other thing that's changed is the expectation of what are the hours of work?

I don't think anyone wants to say that there's no value in physically being together. It's just that That does not make sense for 100% of your at-work activities. I also think the other thing, by the way, and Chris, I'd love to get your take on this. Does this come up? Because the other thing that's changed is the expectation of what are the hours of work?

And it used to be when you left work, because you did not actually have a computer in your pocket and because you did not have a computer at your home, you were actually unreachable. And you were actually off work. And that is not true for us now. Obviously, people are always connected all the time and they're expected to be.

And it used to be when you left work, because you did not actually have a computer in your pocket and because you did not have a computer at your home, you were actually unreachable. And you were actually off work. And that is not true for us now. Obviously, people are always connected all the time and they're expected to be.