Matt Amdur

And Chris, is there any kind of pushback internally being like, all right, hey, look, you want me to come to the office? Great. By the way, laptop closes at 6 p.m. So I'm sorry. This has got to cut both ways.

And Chris, is there any kind of pushback internally being like, all right, hey, look, you want me to come to the office? Great. By the way, laptop closes at 6 p.m. So I'm sorry. This has got to cut both ways.

Yeah, exactly. It's like the manager themselves, like, it applies that they're working on a Sunday night, but they send you that email on a Sunday night. So it's like, yeah, I don't think they'd be doing that. That's right. Someone had asked in the chat about like, hey, what was remote work like at Sun? And so when I was there, like literally when I arrived there,

Yeah, exactly. It's like the manager themselves, like, it applies that they're working on a Sunday night, but they send you that email on a Sunday night. So it's like, yeah, I don't think they'd be doing that. That's right. Someone had asked in the chat about like, hey, what was remote work like at Sun? And so when I was there, like literally when I arrived there,

the engineers in kernel development had just gotten approval to have the ISDN lines so they could actually meaningfully work from home. So when I was there, the engineers had started to work from home, but I did not. And it's kind of amazing to think, Adam, how it feels like it was such a long period of time and it was such a kind of a blink of the eye that in 1996...

the engineers in kernel development had just gotten approval to have the ISDN lines so they could actually meaningfully work from home. So when I was there, the engineers had started to work from home, but I did not. And it's kind of amazing to think, Adam, how it feels like it was such a long period of time and it was such a kind of a blink of the eye that in 1996...

The engineers had just started work from home. Bonwick would, the engineer, Jeff Bonwick, who I'd come to work with, Jeff wouldn't get in at like 2 p.m. 2 to 3 p.m. He'd kind of like hang out in the evening and then he'd go home at like 7. And then he just to like wait out traffic. And then he'd be up until, you know, I would be working with him over email until, and also the phone.

The engineers had just started work from home. Bonwick would, the engineer, Jeff Bonwick, who I'd come to work with, Jeff wouldn't get in at like 2 p.m. 2 to 3 p.m. He'd kind of like hang out in the evening and then he'd go home at like 7. And then he just to like wait out traffic. And then he'd be up until, you know, I would be working with him over email until, and also the phone.

Adam, that's the other thing. We did use the phone. people would, he would call me, uh, and we would talk on the phone at like, on your, on your landline, just to be on my landline in the office. And because I could not work from home because I just did not. So I was in the office more or less all the time. Um, and I would be in the office until, you know, four or five in the morning.

Adam, that's the other thing. We did use the phone. people would, he would call me, uh, and we would talk on the phone at like, on your, on your landline, just to be on my landline in the office. And because I could not work from home because I just did not. So I was in the office more or less all the time. Um, and I would be in the office until, you know, four or five in the morning.

And I, so the first year that I was working, I was working Bonwick hours, which was really stupid because Bonwick standard time is not meant Standard time is not actually like it's not diurnal. It is not actually. So I would end up because I had a reverse commute. It would take me like six minutes to get into the office unless I was going into the office at 4 p.m. and it took me 45 minutes.

And I, so the first year that I was working, I was working Bonwick hours, which was really stupid because Bonwick standard time is not meant Standard time is not actually like it's not diurnal. It is not actually. So I would end up because I had a reverse commute. It would take me like six minutes to get into the office unless I was going into the office at 4 p.m. and it took me 45 minutes.

And I'm like, I have got to be like, I got to get off this and I got to get something that looks more like rational human kind of hours. But these people had started to work remotely. And then, Adam, by the time you came in 2001, and we had DSL. I remember when we got our new place in San Francisco in 2000, I got DSL. That was a big deal. And we were starting to work remotely a couple days a week.

And I'm like, I have got to be like, I got to get off this and I got to get something that looks more like rational human kind of hours. But these people had started to work remotely. And then, Adam, by the time you came in 2001, and we had DSL. I remember when we got our new place in San Francisco in 2000, I got DSL. That was a big deal. And we were starting to work remotely a couple days a week.

Yeah, I saw Dan McDonald was here. Well, that predated the punch-in stuff. It did predate punch-in. You're right. Yeah, you're right. We had some kind of VPN stuff. And then I definitely remember you were the messenger on Wi-Fi. You were describing Wi-Fi. And I'm like, this sound, you came from the future. It sounds like there are no wires plugged in your laptop at all.

Yeah, I saw Dan McDonald was here. Well, that predated the punch-in stuff. It did predate punch-in. You're right. Yeah, you're right. We had some kind of VPN stuff. And then I definitely remember you were the messenger on Wi-Fi. You were describing Wi-Fi. And I'm like, this sound, you came from the future. It sounds like there are no wires plugged in your laptop at all.

Like I, that says no way that's not possible. And I realized wifi was just like, wow. And then, so by the time we, and then, so things were pretty hybrid from that point. You know, I remember a lot of detrace we did in our, like working at home for sure.

Like I, that says no way that's not possible. And I realized wifi was just like, wow. And then, so by the time we, and then, so things were pretty hybrid from that point. You know, I remember a lot of detrace we did in our, like working at home for sure.

When we started Fishworks, I remember really being explicit about, like, we want the office to be that kind of gathering place. And yes, we're going to do work from home, but we're going to work from work. And it gave us Fishpond, just as the world, just as our working office gave us Seaball and the Mark Trucaine.

When we started Fishworks, I remember really being explicit about, like, we want the office to be that kind of gathering place. And yes, we're going to do work from home, but we're going to work from work. And it gave us Fishpond, just as the world, just as our working office gave us Seaball and the Mark Trucaine.