Matt Amdur

we did. And we also, I remember thinking like, this will be good for the first like year or two, then we'll need to get a bigger space. Yeah. Much bigger space to accommodate the, to accommodate. And it's like, Nope, we're not going to do that. And I mean, I think the thing that gets really weird to think about is like, what if there's no pandemic at all?

we did. And we also, I remember thinking like, this will be good for the first like year or two, then we'll need to get a bigger space. Yeah. Much bigger space to accommodate the, to accommodate. And it's like, Nope, we're not going to do that. And I mean, I think the thing that gets really weird to think about is like, what if there's no pandemic at all?

And cause that is like, that takes us into bizarre land because we make a whole bunch of different decisions and And I mean, it's, it's actually horrifying. I actually, it is, it is actually too scary to contemplate if the pandemic, no, I'm serious. Cause like I, there were so many jobs that I had it in my head have to be local. Yeah. Um, operations had to be local.

And cause that is like, that takes us into bizarre land because we make a whole bunch of different decisions and And I mean, it's, it's actually horrifying. I actually, it is, it is actually too scary to contemplate if the pandemic, no, I'm serious. Cause like I, there were so many jobs that I had it in my head have to be local. Yeah. Um, operations had to be local.

No, it's scary. My breathing accelerates just kind of thinking about it because I don't know that we pull it off. Actually, I almost know that we don't. And the ability to get folks wherever they are is an absolute magic power that any startup is going to use.

No, it's scary. My breathing accelerates just kind of thinking about it because I don't know that we pull it off. Actually, I almost know that we don't. And the ability to get folks wherever they are is an absolute magic power that any startup is going to use.

I mean, so I think part of the reason that I think this is going to shift so radically is because startups, one, I mean, so Chris, just for the generational issues you're mentioning that like, hey, this is generationally, this is not a big deal to me. I'm born in the mid-90s. I play video games. I'm just used to like online communities. So, Like that is not a big deal for me.

I mean, so I think part of the reason that I think this is going to shift so radically is because startups, one, I mean, so Chris, just for the generational issues you're mentioning that like, hey, this is generationally, this is not a big deal to me. I'm born in the mid-90s. I play video games. I'm just used to like online communities. So, Like that is not a big deal for me.

And so I think that one, you kind of have that big adjustment. Then you also have like, Oh, wait a minute. The pool of talent that I want to hire from is they are making this incredibly bad decision that I can take advantage of and get people. I was like, Oh, okay. Wow. Great. Thanks. Amazon. I didn't think I was going to be able to hire any of your folks, but you know, thanks. Broadcom. Thanks.

And so I think that one, you kind of have that big adjustment. Then you also have like, Oh, wait a minute. The pool of talent that I want to hire from is they are making this incredibly bad decision that I can take advantage of and get people. I was like, Oh, okay. Wow. Great. Thanks. Amazon. I didn't think I was going to be able to hire any of your folks, but you know, thanks. Broadcom. Thanks.

Google. Thanks. And again, And because as a startup, you've got to find a way to differentiate yourself. And obviously, there's a degree of venture-funded startup, you're giving up a degree of job security, obviously. You've got to find a way to differentiate. And boy, being able to hire remote is a really, really, really key way to differentiate.

Google. Thanks. And again, And because as a startup, you've got to find a way to differentiate yourself. And obviously, there's a degree of venture-funded startup, you're giving up a degree of job security, obviously. You've got to find a way to differentiate. And boy, being able to hire remote is a really, really, really key way to differentiate.

And this is the bit I think with Andy Jassy, I'm like, do you think if you were a startup today, do you understand that you'd be a remote company? Yeah.

And this is the bit I think with Andy Jassy, I'm like, do you think if you were a startup today, do you understand that you'd be a remote company? Yeah.

I think so too. And I think that like you, you know, an evergreen for years and years and years and evergreen about like, Hey, I want to have a hacker news thread. That's going to have a thousand comments. Talk about office layout, right? We open plan offices, cubicles, like everyone's at war with everyone else. Right.

I think so too. And I think that like you, you know, an evergreen for years and years and years and evergreen about like, Hey, I want to have a hacker news thread. That's going to have a thousand comments. Talk about office layout, right? We open plan offices, cubicles, like everyone's at war with everyone else. Right.

And the, you know, that's not something we need to, you know, we've got other challenges in our remote world.

And the, you know, that's not something we need to, you know, we've got other challenges in our remote world.

but but office layout is not something and do you remember like i don't remember we were talking about like you know at joint we kind of had these cubicles that weren't cubicles they were dividers where it was like an open plan that where the dividers were of a very specified height so you could kind of like keep your head down and headphones on but you could also like look up i mean it was like all all this like nonsense that we don't need to do anymore yeah yeah for sure

but but office layout is not something and do you remember like i don't remember we were talking about like you know at joint we kind of had these cubicles that weren't cubicles they were dividers where it was like an open plan that where the dividers were of a very specified height so you could kind of like keep your head down and headphones on but you could also like look up i mean it was like all all this like nonsense that we don't need to do anymore yeah yeah for sure