Matt Amdur

Totally. And then all these things that we kind of talked about that episode that I think people should go back and listen to because I do think it's all the stuff that's now really important to us, like the side chat and the side channel and the back channel, the ability to record meetings, all the stuff that I just can't live without.

Totally. And then all these things that we kind of talked about that episode that I think people should go back and listen to because I do think it's all the stuff that's now really important to us, like the side chat and the side channel and the back channel, the ability to record meetings, all the stuff that I just can't live without.

The other thing is that also I was actually interacting with someone who was at a return to office company. And was having a conversation with him, was scheduled to have a conversation with him. And he was like four minutes late. And, you know, in the post-pandemic world, four minutes is like, okay, I like- Call the cops.

The other thing is that also I was actually interacting with someone who was at a return to office company. And was having a conversation with him, was scheduled to have a conversation with him. And he was like four minutes late. And, you know, in the post-pandemic world, four minutes is like, okay, I like- Call the cops.

Call the cops. National disaster. Check Twitter. There's been an earthquake. It's like, you know, this is cataclysmic. And he was very apologetic. He's like, God, I'm so sorry. I, I had to get a conference room and I was like, the, the, I had this conference room booked and these guys wouldn't leave because they went over.

Call the cops. National disaster. Check Twitter. There's been an earthquake. It's like, you know, this is cataclysmic. And he was very apologetic. He's like, God, I'm so sorry. I, I had to get a conference room and I was like, the, the, I had this conference room booked and these guys wouldn't leave because they went over.

It's like, God, the idea that like your, like that conversation, which is like, let's assume is a good conversation is grooving and has to stop now because somebody else needs to have a conversation because it's like, Oh my God, like, what are we doing? This just makes no sense in terms of, and I think this is what, um,

It's like, God, the idea that like your, like that conversation, which is like, let's assume is a good conversation is grooving and has to stop now because somebody else needs to have a conversation because it's like, Oh my God, like, what are we doing? This just makes no sense in terms of, and I think this is what, um,

you know, what people are latching onto in terms of like, hey, this doesn't feel like it's making us more productive. Well, Adam, I'm not sure where, do we think there's going to be a trend? Actually, let's leave on this. Do we think, does this pretend a trend? Is this going to be an outlier? Are we, what is the future here for these RTO mandates?

you know, what people are latching onto in terms of like, hey, this doesn't feel like it's making us more productive. Well, Adam, I'm not sure where, do we think there's going to be a trend? Actually, let's leave on this. Do we think, does this pretend a trend? Is this going to be an outlier? Are we, what is the future here for these RTO mandates?

I think we land pretty hybrid-y where I think that there's a lot of new company formation ends up being remote first for all the good reasons to be remote first. And I think that that alone will, and I think also you're going to have, I do think that companies are going to look different in the future. I don't know that we're going to have these massive hundred thousand person tech companies.

I think we land pretty hybrid-y where I think that there's a lot of new company formation ends up being remote first for all the good reasons to be remote first. And I think that that alone will, and I think also you're going to have, I do think that companies are going to look different in the future. I don't know that we're going to have these massive hundred thousand person tech companies.

where I think you're going to have more smaller companies. I think that's what makes more kind of sense in the abstract anyway. And so I think it's going to be, I think, hybrid-y. I think you're going to have a lot more. I think some of the stuff is going to look really, really dated in hindsight. I also think that there are going to be companies that have no RTO mandate.

where I think you're going to have more smaller companies. I think that's what makes more kind of sense in the abstract anyway. And so I think it's going to be, I think, hybrid-y. I think you're going to have a lot more. I think some of the stuff is going to look really, really dated in hindsight. I also think that there are going to be companies that have no RTO mandate.

So I think that these RTO mandates are going to, at some level, backfire. I don't know if they're going to backfire quickly enough to kind of give feedback to the folks that institute them. You know, one company we have not talked about, do you know a company that does not have, that is truly hybrid and has not had any RTO mandate since the pandemic? NVIDIA. Hmm, interesting. Yeah.

So I think that these RTO mandates are going to, at some level, backfire. I don't know if they're going to backfire quickly enough to kind of give feedback to the folks that institute them. You know, one company we have not talked about, do you know a company that does not have, that is truly hybrid and has not had any RTO mandate since the pandemic? NVIDIA. Hmm, interesting. Yeah.

NVIDIA is, it's like, I don't know. That's interesting. How are they doing? I haven't checked. Are they doing okay? I don't know. Are they having any success? And that's pretty interesting. I think that I do think we're going to have a qualitative shift. Not for the first time. I think we've had a lot of these qualitative shifts.

NVIDIA is, it's like, I don't know. That's interesting. How are they doing? I haven't checked. Are they doing okay? I don't know. Are they having any success? And that's pretty interesting. I think that I do think we're going to have a qualitative shift. Not for the first time. I think we've had a lot of these qualitative shifts.

The internet was a qualitative shift where it's like you had companies that got it, succeeded, and companies that didn't, perished. And I think that, I don't know that these hyperscalers are, I mean, obviously Amazon's a wildly profitable company.

The internet was a qualitative shift where it's like you had companies that got it, succeeded, and companies that didn't, perished. And I think that, I don't know that these hyperscalers are, I mean, obviously Amazon's a wildly profitable company.