Matt Clifford

For the rest of this miniseries, we spoke a lot about the economic impacts.

Obviously, I think your new role, Anthropic, or new-ish role, at least in part, is very focused on this.

Well, first, maybe just headline.

What do you think?

There's a lot of talk about jobs apocalypse.

There's a lot of talk about differential impacts within and across countries.

Where do you think we are on that?

And then I'd love to dive into a little bit.

What do you think governments should do on that?

But you don't think that your vision of RSI, this recursive self-improvement is incompatible with the world of human labor?

or you do?

Sounds like a good argument for investing in domestic compute infrastructure.

Well, maybe this is the very last one, given that you mentioned your kids.

The number one question I got after doing this miniseries with Rory at the end of last year was, I was the optimist, by the way, on the show.

You might be surprised to hear.

What do you think about what it means for your kids?

What are you doing for your kids?

How do you think about educating them?

What do you want them to do?

How do you think about that?