Matt Damon

And what's the cost?

Because to truly be great at something, you have to kind of almost abandon everything.

Like you said, there seems to be a real cost.

Well, there's always a massive cost in personal relationships because there's no way you have the time for other things.

And the obsession that you have to be the best at something, you have to abandon almost all your concern for everything else.

You have to have this single-minded focus.

And that comes with a cost for the rest of your life because you damage relationships.

You feel like a piece of shit.

And you see that up close and, like, that's not admirable.

Right.

Right.

It's crazy because you inspire all these people that don't know you and you ruin all your relationships.

Maybe that's why I say don't meet your heroes.

There's something to it, man.

There really is.

But it's just we all grow from it.

There's a fuel to watching greatness.

There's a thing that hits you and lights you up where you want to do more.

You want to be better.

Whatever it is that you can do, whatever it is you do do, whether it's a great game, a winning touchdown, whether it's a great film, a great song.