Matt Rogers

Now it's like indie pop is such a thing, right?

But I feel like you don't get enough credit for that.

That you really modeled this thing.

Even for someone like Charlie who knows, oh, I'm going to do one for me, one for them.

And the one for me thing is the thing that brought her most success, I would argue, with Brad.

Totally.

That was supposed to be like...

That was supposed to break away from Crash, where she was, like, you know, fulfilling the contract for the label, doing, like, what a pop, traditional pop star album would look like.

But I feel like you've kind of blueprinted out this thing for a lot of people, which is, like, you can do it on your own terms.

And I feel like I hope you get that sense now as we're, like, all coming together once again to, like, celebrate Robin.

Oh, yeah.

He gave Ari that direction.

Yes.

Like the way Max wants her to.

Yeah, more executive, I guess.

Yeah.

But I feel like you, I feel like your voice is so precise.

That's what I've always loved about the quality and the timbre is that it's clean isn't the right word.

It's just, it's just, it's perfectly matched with like a Swedish sensibility in a way of like making music, which is that it's like clean.

right on target.