Matt Willis

Like, and I went through loads of struggles and stuff and he was very much there, you know, and he was, yeah, it was like, but also I kind of, I got this kind of feeling of, because he was from where we were, you know, he wasn't from, he was from the same council states that we grew up in, you know, and he made this life.

And I remember I went skiing with him, right, when I was about, oh God, 22.

one 22 or something and um you know from this like appearance of this baller guy you know he'd make us sandwiches and stuff because the mountain was too expensive and i was like oh he's still you know he's still got a sense of what you know he's not like you know it's like so i've really admired everything about him you know it was a real it was a real um good thing he sounds great yeah it was great do you think men are feeling lost about their place

Yes.

Yeah.

Just to pick on something you said earlier on, which I think was really interesting, I think it might be newspaper, actually.

Like, I feel like the... Probably me.

Like the job...

The job description has changed.

Yeah.

But no one's given you the new script.

Do you know what I mean?

It's like we, as men, we're not quite sure what our place is anymore.

Do you know what I mean?

I feel like, not for everyone, obviously, but I feel like that's a real looming thing.

You kind of like, you don't really know where your place in the world is right now.

You know, it used to be quite structured and quite easy to follow.

Now, what is that?

I think you're right.

If we're looking at our place in society, I do think that's complicated for men.