Matthew Cox

Hey, how you doing?

And he was very slick, very charismatic.

Distracting them.

And if that didn't work and they, you know, would hold it up, they would see the watermark.

And if they had the pen, and I won't get into specifics, but he was doing certain things to try to throw off the pen by the type of paper and other things that he would do.

So as a result of that, he would typically pass the pen test and he would typically pass this test and, oh, okay, people would give him the change.

There's 15 people behind me.

They would hit the holidays.

No.

Well, and what he would do, too, and what he would train people that were working with him, too, is to sit back and watch how's the teller operating.

Is that the teller that's sitting there really looking at the note, taking some time?

Or is this just the person, like you said, that they're making a minimum wage, they could care less?

He would see that and he would bypass Karen.

Karen's not getting my notes.

we need the 19 year old who just wants to get through her shift and if he felt like hey i made this batch and this batch doesn't look good he would burn it right you know so he would never kind of go out so as i'm kind of trying to get this dossier of what makes his people tick i would always talk to the people that kind of knew him and all they would know him is by art and they'd say this is an art form for him is that he you know it's kind of play on words but they said he is so prideful

Like, he doesn't care about the money.

And I'm like, yeah, okay, bullshit.

He cares about the money.

But they're like, he wants to be the best counterfeiter in the world.

He wants, he views this as a masterpiece.