Mel Gibson

I actually don't, I don't adhere to a post-conciliar church. I adhere. Can you define what that means? Okay. There was an event that happened in the 60s. First, there was an event in the Vatican where they elected John XXIII, Pope, right, in 1958. I was two years old, right? Um, he was elected and it was a very funny thing that happened in the conclave.

I actually don't, I don't adhere to a post-conciliar church. I adhere. Can you define what that means? Okay. There was an event that happened in the 60s. First, there was an event in the Vatican where they elected John XXIII, Pope, right, in 1958. I was two years old, right? Um, he was elected and it was a very funny thing that happened in the conclave.

You know, usually there's white and black smoke that goes out of the chimneys to tell you we have a Pope, you know, have a must pop them, you know, and the white smoke came out. And everybody cheered and they went crazy. And then about a half an hour later, black smoke came out. That never in history has that happened, that the white smoke came out and then the black smoke came out.

You know, usually there's white and black smoke that goes out of the chimneys to tell you we have a Pope, you know, have a must pop them, you know, and the white smoke came out. And everybody cheered and they went crazy. And then about a half an hour later, black smoke came out. That never in history has that happened, that the white smoke came out and then the black smoke came out.

You know, usually there's white and black smoke that goes out of the chimneys to tell you we have a Pope, you know, have a must pop them, you know, and the white smoke came out. And everybody cheered and they went crazy. And then about a half an hour later, black smoke came out. That never in history has that happened, that the white smoke came out and then the black smoke came out.

That's right. They'd have votes or there'd be one reason or another they'd have a round in the conclave and black smoke would come out many times, many times maybe. Maybe it would take two weeks. Yeah. But never was it known that white smoke came out, then black smoke came out.

That's right. They'd have votes or there'd be one reason or another they'd have a round in the conclave and black smoke would come out many times, many times maybe. Maybe it would take two weeks. Yeah. But never was it known that white smoke came out, then black smoke came out.

That's right. They'd have votes or there'd be one reason or another they'd have a round in the conclave and black smoke would come out many times, many times maybe. Maybe it would take two weeks. Yeah. But never was it known that white smoke came out, then black smoke came out.

That somebody was elected. and that maybe something else happened, and he was pushed aside and someone else was put in. So it was some kind of power struggle. And, of course, the man who came out was a man called Angelo Roncalli, and he was John XXIII. Now, it's interesting to note that never had a pope taken the name of another pope ever before in history.

That somebody was elected. and that maybe something else happened, and he was pushed aside and someone else was put in. So it was some kind of power struggle. And, of course, the man who came out was a man called Angelo Roncalli, and he was John XXIII. Now, it's interesting to note that never had a pope taken the name of another pope ever before in history.

That somebody was elected. and that maybe something else happened, and he was pushed aside and someone else was put in. So it was some kind of power struggle. And, of course, the man who came out was a man called Angelo Roncalli, and he was John XXIII. Now, it's interesting to note that never had a pope taken the name of another pope ever before in history.

But this man took the name of a known anti-pope, from the 15th century, that Cosimo de' Medici put in there as his own man. I'll get you in the chair, and then everything will be rosy. Everything will go good for business, whatever he was putting him in there for, some corrupt reason. And there have been corrupt men in that place before. I mean, there's Alexander VI and Julius II and Sixtus IV.

But this man took the name of a known anti-pope, from the 15th century, that Cosimo de' Medici put in there as his own man. I'll get you in the chair, and then everything will be rosy. Everything will go good for business, whatever he was putting him in there for, some corrupt reason. And there have been corrupt men in that place before. I mean, there's Alexander VI and Julius II and Sixtus IV.

But this man took the name of a known anti-pope, from the 15th century, that Cosimo de' Medici put in there as his own man. I'll get you in the chair, and then everything will be rosy. Everything will go good for business, whatever he was putting him in there for, some corrupt reason. And there have been corrupt men in that place before. I mean, there's Alexander VI and Julius II and Sixtus IV.

I mean, some of these guys are, you know, they're not saints. So he took the name of a known anti-pope from the fifth century who actually said, yes, I'm an anti-pope. Sorry, I'm not the right guy because there was more than one. And he confessed to being and he wanted to, you know, square things with with the almighty, I guess. So he confessed to being an anti-pope.

I mean, some of these guys are, you know, they're not saints. So he took the name of a known anti-pope from the fifth century who actually said, yes, I'm an anti-pope. Sorry, I'm not the right guy because there was more than one. And he confessed to being and he wanted to, you know, square things with with the almighty, I guess. So he confessed to being an anti-pope.

I mean, some of these guys are, you know, they're not saints. So he took the name of a known anti-pope from the fifth century who actually said, yes, I'm an anti-pope. Sorry, I'm not the right guy because there was more than one. And he confessed to being and he wanted to, you know, square things with with the almighty, I guess. So he confessed to being an anti-pope.

And so he took the same name as that guy, John the 23rd. So it's interesting, don't you think?

And so he took the same name as that guy, John the 23rd. So it's interesting, don't you think?

And so he took the same name as that guy, John the 23rd. So it's interesting, don't you think?