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Michael Batnick

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The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

So, you know, I think since then, a couple things have changed, obviously.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

To Skanda's point, the distribution of risks around inflation have changed.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

But the labor markets aren't as bad as they were at the end of last year.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

I mean, they're not nearly as strong as they were a few years ago, but it's not nearly as bad as it was last year.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

And that's obviously important.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

The one thing I would say that has continued is income growth continues to slide.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

So at least the growth in total wages and salaries remains pretty sluggish.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

And in the context of an overnight Fed funds rate where it is and price inflation where it is, I mean, I do think there are stresses building for the household sector.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

And I do think there's probably a limit to how much people can spend by drawing down savings and so forth.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

So that to me is my concern.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

It's really around the outlook for consumer spending, which I don't think is particularly good.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

That is true.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

That's right.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

Yeah, so I mean, I think that there's, right, like, so to me, it's like, let's try to link like the economic data to like markets, right?

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

Looking at the savings rate is an actual, like, it's not a good timing mechanism, right?

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

I remember back in 2005, the savings rate was actually printing negative at the time.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

And there was a chorus of bears telling you, oh my God, there's no more cushion.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

It's about to fall over.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

We kept growing for another two years.

The Compound and Friends
Neil Dutta & Skanda on Why the Recession Signals Are All Wrong

I mean, it didn't matter in the end, but you had to wait a while.