Michael Cohen

And with me, what happened?

I didn't want to testify.

I was subpoenaed every single time within which to testify.

had I not had to testify the first time around, none of this would have gone on.

I had no desire within which to.

And it's not a question.

You used the word flip.

It's not a question of flip.

It's a question of answering questions, responding to questions.

It's not a flip.

Michael, you flip.

You talk negatively about the president.

You flip only when you get a benefit from it.

What benefit have I ever received?

In other words, think about the mob.

Think about the mob when they flip on their boss.

What did I get?

What did I want?

Mind you, when I asked for that pardon.

hardened i was already finished and i was already off paper six years so flipping you don't do it post facto right i'm not asking for a post-mortem uh award i wanted it i wanted it early early on but that wasn't happening so i've sat down with actual mobsters i've probably done more mob interviews than anybody else in the podcast world and you talk any one of them they'll come and talk to me