Michael Dubin

So Jim had gone to Paris, and Lover Madly was the hit single, and then the record company was saying, wow, it's doing great, maybe Riders could be the second single.

And that's when Jim called me and asked me what was up, and I said, wow, it's doing great, and Riders, honestly.

It's a mixture of both.

I didn't quite believe it.

I thought, oh, he's just going to be an Irish drunk who lives to 80.

Right.

Ray and I and Robbie were actually jamming at our rehearsal studio.

It was two weeks after McCartney rumors that he was dead.

All right.

So we told our manager, well, just get on a plane right now and go see if it's true.

And he came back and said it's true, and he's buried.

Whoa.

Yeah.

I knew he was different the minute I met him, you know, and I said to Robbie, whoa.

And Robbie said charisma.

OK, but, you know, I do think it really was.

Oh, alcoholism.

Oh, yeah.

Adam, him saying his parents were deceased in the original bio is a metaphor for the period of the 60s when it was polarized into for and against the Vietnam War.

And the whole country was that way.