Michael Franzese

Cut to, I asked Chaz, I said, Chaz, you around, Chaz is not a mob guy, but he was around, grew up in the neighborhood, he knew people. Ish. I said, let me ask you this right now, in our life, my former life, you think it was better to be feared or to be loved? He said, oh, it's better to be feared. I said, you're wrong, Chaz. Right. He said, what do you mean?

I said, let me tell you, fear did keep people in line, myself included, no question. Fear kept us in line to a degree. But here's what happened. When the RICO statute came out and Rudy Giuliani, you have to say the guy that learned how to use the RICO statute against the mob, the most effective prosecutor in that regard.

I said, let me tell you, fear did keep people in line, myself included, no question. Fear kept us in line to a degree. But here's what happened. When the RICO statute came out and Rudy Giuliani, you have to say the guy that learned how to use the RICO statute against the mob, the most effective prosecutor in that regard.

I said, let me tell you, fear did keep people in line, myself included, no question. Fear kept us in line to a degree. But here's what happened. When the RICO statute came out and Rudy Giuliani, you have to say the guy that learned how to use the RICO statute against the mob, the most effective prosecutor in that regard.

When that statute came out and became so detrimental to our life because now you could get murder can now become a. a federal crime, where before it was only a state crime, but it's a predicate act in the RICO. There was some mission creep. Yes. So here's what happened. Now you get indicted for RICO. You're going to get 100 years like all the commission guys.

When that statute came out and became so detrimental to our life because now you could get murder can now become a. a federal crime, where before it was only a state crime, but it's a predicate act in the RICO. There was some mission creep. Yes. So here's what happened. Now you get indicted for RICO. You're going to get 100 years like all the commission guys.

When that statute came out and became so detrimental to our life because now you could get murder can now become a. a federal crime, where before it was only a state crime, but it's a predicate act in the RICO. There was some mission creep. Yes. So here's what happened. Now you get indicted for RICO. You're going to get 100 years like all the commission guys.

So what they did to guys is they said, listen, we're going to put you away for 100 years. You're not getting any bail. You'll never make parole. We'll give you some money. We'll put you in the witness protection program. And you testify against these guys. They're going away forever. Don't worry about it. What happened is the fear of the mob was transferred to the fear of the government.

So what they did to guys is they said, listen, we're going to put you away for 100 years. You're not getting any bail. You'll never make parole. We'll give you some money. We'll put you in the witness protection program. And you testify against these guys. They're going away forever. Don't worry about it. What happened is the fear of the mob was transferred to the fear of the government.

So what they did to guys is they said, listen, we're going to put you away for 100 years. You're not getting any bail. You'll never make parole. We'll give you some money. We'll put you in the witness protection program. And you testify against these guys. They're going away forever. Don't worry about it. What happened is the fear of the mob was transferred to the fear of the government.

That's what destroyed that life. Governments can be a mafia. So can police departments. You know, I mean, when you give people power, some will take it. Like government. Yeah. No, absolutely. No, it's, you know, but what Winston Churchill said about our form of government, democracy, and it's the worst form of government, except for all the others. Yes.

That's what destroyed that life. Governments can be a mafia. So can police departments. You know, I mean, when you give people power, some will take it. Like government. Yeah. No, absolutely. No, it's, you know, but what Winston Churchill said about our form of government, democracy, and it's the worst form of government, except for all the others. Yes.

That's what destroyed that life. Governments can be a mafia. So can police departments. You know, I mean, when you give people power, some will take it. Like government. Yeah. No, absolutely. No, it's, you know, but what Winston Churchill said about our form of government, democracy, and it's the worst form of government, except for all the others. Yes.

You can't give people too much power. Too much. I agree. Jack Webb on Dragnet said, when somebody was complaining about one of the cops, he said, Yes, ma'am, but we have to recruit from the human race. You know, humans are not good people. That's my essential... We're inherently bad. People are inherently bad. Yeah, kind of. They got to turn to the good.

You can't give people too much power. Too much. I agree. Jack Webb on Dragnet said, when somebody was complaining about one of the cops, he said, Yes, ma'am, but we have to recruit from the human race. You know, humans are not good people. That's my essential... We're inherently bad. People are inherently bad. Yeah, kind of. They got to turn to the good.

You can't give people too much power. Too much. I agree. Jack Webb on Dragnet said, when somebody was complaining about one of the cops, he said, Yes, ma'am, but we have to recruit from the human race. You know, humans are not good people. That's my essential... We're inherently bad. People are inherently bad. Yeah, kind of. They got to turn to the good.

I mean, there are some who somehow are saintly and altruistic, but it's not the default setting for humans. I agree. And civilization... I always say it, it's a mile wide and an inch deep because like you, the slightest little thing and, you know, people would eat each other, you know. I agree.

I mean, there are some who somehow are saintly and altruistic, but it's not the default setting for humans. I agree. And civilization... I always say it, it's a mile wide and an inch deep because like you, the slightest little thing and, you know, people would eat each other, you know. I agree.

I mean, there are some who somehow are saintly and altruistic, but it's not the default setting for humans. I agree. And civilization... I always say it, it's a mile wide and an inch deep because like you, the slightest little thing and, you know, people would eat each other, you know. I agree.

I'm not saying if I was on a plane crash and there was nothing else, I would eat somebody, but yes, I would. You would. What? As opposed to being eaten? Yeah, well. You know. Hopefully we never have to make that choice, but I understand. You know, dog eat dog world. I agree. I mean, we are animals very close to below the surface.