Michael Gold

Throughout the discussions on this, they've argued that Democrats are not doing enough to rein in illegal immigration.

But one thing I would point out is that Democrats are being very careful to make it clear that this is a conversation about the tactics being used by border patrol agents and the way they're interacting with American citizens.

And that's an area where they think they can win an advantage, even if immigration has traditionally been a difficult issue for them.

But the question is whether voters will fully embrace the nuance that Democrats are trying to present.

And it's an election year, so we will find out by November whether this worked in Democrats' favor.

Hey, now, listen, he's a busy man.

I try to talk to him a lot, too.

So I know what a get that is.

I did watch.

There's kind of a lot going on here.

But it was, I think, a very striking hearing, as the congressman said, as I'm sure you observed.

I think one thing to think about when you watch anything like this with any top official in this administration is that oftentimes it feels as if they're performing for one person only and that would be the president.

And so in that regard I think a lot of what she was doing made sense it was very reflective of the way

that he pivots when he's asked a question he doesn't like.

He'll immediately restore it to an issue he'd rather talk about.

He'll try to go back to his talking points.

It seems like she really adopted that.

She was very contentious, lobbing personal insults and derision almost in a way that I don't think we'd seen it from anyone in this administration so far.

I was very struck by some of the exchanges that she had.

I think there was a