Michael Landsberg

But just the two of them together talking about it was amazing.

And Lemieux was like, I know it's one of the reasons why he put me on, was Claude's death by suicide.

He was one of those guys, and I'm sure you all have it, right?

Guys that you expect to be a dick and he's not.

He was, he was that guy.

I thought, you know, like, well, you like, what's it going to be like?

He was an awesome guy and he knew that I battled, but we never talk about it because I mean, back then, I don't know what was going on with him, but I think that we could do way better.

And just now, like on this show, we're making a difference.

Because we're not talking about it.

Like if you say to men, hey, join us on spitting chiclets next week when we'll talk about the symptoms of depression.

No one wants that.

But now we're talking about, you know, Claude Lemieux and Darren McCarty, and we're talking about other stuff.

And somehow it finds its way into the conversation.

That's why I say you guys have this amazing power.

You know, Dana, if you were to say to me, hey, Michael, who was your favorite guest on Off the Record?

I would say, you know, like we did like thousands of shows.

So it's not like one guy comes to mind.

But Dana would have been one of the guys.

Absolutely.

Because he had thick enough skin that you could challenge him.