Michael Levin

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450 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard May 2025 last heard May 2025

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Don't don't talk about it, you know.
And
I said, you know, and I said, well, why do you think we did those experiments?
You know, we wouldn't have done them otherwise.
That's the whole, that's the whole point, right?
And and and I think especially in our in like the some of the molecular biology approaches and things like that, people tend to feel, or at least they act as if they're really touching reality directly, that there is no philosophy underlying their perspective.
They think that the things I say are metaphorical, but pathways and things
like that are real, you know, we got real things.
We got these pathways.
And um and and just I, you know, I I I always liked uh Dan's kind of unflinching fusion of of the philosophy and the and the data.
Yeah, um uh there's not much to argue with there.
I I agree with with with almost all of it.
Um so maybe maybe I'll just talk about a a slightly different perspective on some of these things that that I've that I've been developing.
So
Um, what I'm interested in, I I I think, I think a lot of times um dichotomies uh lead us astray.
So trying to, you know, is it alive, isn't it alive, is it the cognitive, isn't it?
Like I think these things land us in these pseudo-problems that are probably unresolvable.
And so what I'm really interested in are models of scaling and transformation.
So, so as as Terry said was saying, I want to know, you know, how how how do the things that we're interested in?
So the ability to
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