Michael Levin

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You can't sit there and say,
Well, that's a cell.
I think it's definitely like the clock.
You know, I'm a synthetic biologist and I think this is the chemical machine.
It's going to be like the mechanical clock.
No, you have to do experiments.
And when you do experiments, you try the different tools from the different disciplines and you say, Oh, uh, gee, you know, when I use this set of tools, turns out I can do things that you couldn't do if you were treating it as a mechanical clock.
And that's a lot of what we've done in this lab, and other people have done too, is to borrow tools from other disciplines that could be computer science.
That could be certainly behavioral computational neuroscience.
Take tools, apply them outside of their standard domain.
And when they work, you have to go where the evidence leads you.
You can't just decide that, okay, well, that's not real learning or that's not real whatever.
Now, if the tools work, that's what it is.
Right.
So I have this very um kind of instrumentalist view of these things that what you're really talking about is uh ways to relate to that system and uh and and gain optimal inner.
Interaction that enriches both sides.
I wanted to uh uh r uh talk a little bit about um a new thing that we're doing with uh loss of goal directedness and uh and I want to see what you have to say about one part of it which we haven't we hadn't talked about before.
Um this has to do with uh so so part of my lab uh studies aging and uh and and this this question of why at some at some point uh the the normal mechanisms that upkeep a particular pattern in the body are not are not doing that anymore.
And uh so I preface everything I'm about to say uh by saying that uh the paper on this has not been yet peer reviewed.
This is a uh a preprint that's out uh by um
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