Michael Levin

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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal · Michael Levin and Anna Ciaunica: Consciousness Beyond the Brain · 29 Jan 2025 podcast

Um I I actually have a definition that I crafted.

It's on my website.

I can't remember it uh of course verbatim.

So uh I mean I I I I think I think one of the most let's let's go go back for a second.

Um uh at one point I tried uh and this is this is in this uh twenty nineteen selves paper, I try I tried to um create a uh a a rubric on which

Which you could simultaneously place very diverse intelligences.

So I'm talking about human cells, artificial beings, aliens, swarms, robots, I mean all of it.

And I should so so so I tried to ask myself, like what do all these things have in common, right?

So so not what they're made of, not how they got here, not you know, not their composition or or provenance, but what do they all have in common and what

I thought interesting agents have in common is some degree of goal-directedness.

So that means that what you could do is you could draw what I call a cognitive light cone, which is basically it's kind of like a poor man's Minkowski kind of cone, where basically what you're showing, you you collapse all the space into one axis, time is the other.

And what you're trying to draw is the scale of the biggest goals that the system can pursue.

Not not how far does it sense, not how far can it act, not the not the range of interactions, you know, because like the James Webb telescope has massive sensory range, but but but not that, but but the size of the goals, right?

So what is the biggest goal?

So what I mean by just to give an example.

Um if I know the scale of your goals and the scale of things that stress you out, I I roughly know your degree of of of cognition.

So for example, if you tell me that all you care about is the local sugar concentration in a little tiny, you know, area, you're probably a bacterium.

And and if you tell me that um, you know, you've got you've got a a a a forward looking, you know, so there's some some memory and then some full pr some predictive capacity and what you're really

interested in is is maintaining a particular state over a a range of uh a few hundred yards, you you might be a dog.

And and you're never going to care about what happens four months from now, you know, the 10 miles away.

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