Michael Moynihan
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842 appearances
21 recordings
2 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard May 2025
Michael Moynihan’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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But no one knew that when you were in captivity, right?
That's right. If these guys were halfway clever and not just sadistic, they could get on Google and probably figure this stuff out pretty quickly, right?
Do you get defiant at a certain point where, I mean, there's so many times that you've recounted in your book that they said, take a look at the sun. This is the last time you're going to see it. Yeah. Last time you're going to ever see this. And that's pretty convincing when these ISIS, Al-Qaeda guys there. I mean, do you get defiant in the sense that What do I have to lose at this point?
In Arabic?
Was there any indications of that?
Of course, yeah.
Like, yeah, yeah, I did it. And they were masked the whole time? Always? Always.
Thinking that you didn't know.
It was just the condition in general, the whole thing.
And his son too, yeah.
They bring little kids into the torture?
You were tortured by children, too.
And the chief torturer says to the kids... Cables, meaning they were hooked up to a car battery.
They were six years old in 2011.
We know that torture exists and has existed throughout humanity and adults do it. I just don't have any frame of reference for children doing it. So it must be a pretty surprising thing when you see that.
Is it so deranging in the sense that you're in a dark cell and you don't know when you're gonna be pulled out and tortured and beaten, and you don't know when, if ever, or how it will end, that you start kind of thinking of these things you know, the way that they want you to think about them. Because it's the only kind of reference that you have to anything, right?
Was any of that real? I mean, did you develop any affection in some kind of twisted way because that's the only affection you can develop in a situation like that?
Yes, yes.
You talk to... I talk to these people because... The ones that tortured you and imprisoned you.
By the way, you know, this jihad- In an interest in them personally or just in a journalistic way? Both. Okay, both.
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