Michael Pollan

Lastly, there was a book about consciousness.

There were several books on consciousness I like, but the one I want to recommend is Being You by Anil Seth.

He's an English neuroscientist, and it's a book about the self, and he treats the self as a perception.

He's one of the great explainers of consciousness and mental phenomenon in general.

His TED Talk about reality as a controlled hallucination has been one of the most popular ever.

He discusses that here too, but it's a really good primer on consciousness with specific attention to the self.

So those would be my three.

Michael Pollan, thank you very much.

I'm here with Michael Pollan.

Michael, it's great to see you again.

Yeah, great to be back, Sam.

Or to see you for the first time.

We were just talking about the fact that the last podcast, I think, was just audio, right?

It was a phone call, effectively.

Yeah, I actually remember the day really well.

It was 2018, and I was in a hotel room in Portland, Oregon.

Has that much time passed?

Jesus, that's really depressing.

Yeah, it was How to Change Your Mind had just come out.

Yeah, wow.