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Michael Shellenberger

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The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

I mean, there might've been something that we, but obviously if there was, it wasn't enough. I mean, it's a little bit like when they go, when the people that are like, when the nihilists are defending what happened, they're like, well, there was nothing else we could have done or we did everything we could have. It's like, well, no, obviously you didn't. Like, it doesn't matter what it is.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

I mean, there might've been something that we, but obviously if there was, it wasn't enough. I mean, it's a little bit like when they go, when the people that are like, when the nihilists are defending what happened, they're like, well, there was nothing else we could have done or we did everything we could have. It's like, well, no, obviously you didn't. Like, it doesn't matter what it is.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

I mean, there might've been something that we, but obviously if there was, it wasn't enough. I mean, it's a little bit like when they go, when the people that are like, when the nihilists are defending what happened, they're like, well, there was nothing else we could have done or we did everything we could have. It's like, well, no, obviously you didn't. Like, it doesn't matter what it is.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

It obviously was, there's only one right answer, which is that you didn't do enough. You know, the fatalism is, You know, it's a way to disavow responsibility on the one hand. Again, I think it expresses that nihilism. But I think it's like people just have been out of practice. But you have to – this is part of the journalism too.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

It obviously was, there's only one right answer, which is that you didn't do enough. You know, the fatalism is, You know, it's a way to disavow responsibility on the one hand. Again, I think it expresses that nihilism. But I think it's like people just have been out of practice. But you have to – this is part of the journalism too.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

It obviously was, there's only one right answer, which is that you didn't do enough. You know, the fatalism is, You know, it's a way to disavow responsibility on the one hand. Again, I think it expresses that nihilism. But I think it's like people just have been out of practice. But you have to – this is part of the journalism too.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

You know, it's that you kind of – it has to be like, no, no, we're not accepting that as an answer. Like the right attitude for the journalist – Is to basically be no excuses. Of course. It makes for like, I mean, maybe the journalists are being too much of a hard ass and too much of a dick about it. Maybe they need to be a little bit whatever. That's fine. That's their role.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

You know, it's that you kind of – it has to be like, no, no, we're not accepting that as an answer. Like the right attitude for the journalist – Is to basically be no excuses. Of course. It makes for like, I mean, maybe the journalists are being too much of a hard ass and too much of a dick about it. Maybe they need to be a little bit whatever. That's fine. That's their role.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

You know, it's that you kind of – it has to be like, no, no, we're not accepting that as an answer. Like the right attitude for the journalist – Is to basically be no excuses. Of course. It makes for like, I mean, maybe the journalists are being too much of a hard ass and too much of a dick about it. Maybe they need to be a little bit whatever. That's fine. That's their role.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

It's like your role is to be the prosecutor against the on the case of the failure. Your role is to be the investigator.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

It's like your role is to be the prosecutor against the on the case of the failure. Your role is to be the investigator.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

It's like your role is to be the prosecutor against the on the case of the failure. Your role is to be the investigator.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

Yeah, the public defender or the prosecutor or the politician, you know. But your point is to be like, oh, no, that can't be right. Because when they go, well, we ran out of water. Well, why did you run out of water? Well, there wasn't enough water. No, well, why wasn't it? Well, because actually it turned out one of the reservoirs didn't have any water in it.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

Yeah, the public defender or the prosecutor or the politician, you know. But your point is to be like, oh, no, that can't be right. Because when they go, well, we ran out of water. Well, why did you run out of water? Well, there wasn't enough water. No, well, why wasn't it? Well, because actually it turned out one of the reservoirs didn't have any water in it.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

Yeah, the public defender or the prosecutor or the politician, you know. But your point is to be like, oh, no, that can't be right. Because when they go, well, we ran out of water. Well, why did you run out of water? Well, there wasn't enough water. No, well, why wasn't it? Well, because actually it turned out one of the reservoirs didn't have any water in it.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

Isn't it your job to make sure there's enough water? You know, I mean, and this is what they do when they go after Trump and stuff. Is that like, because Trump will often be like directionally correct. Right. You know, like, oh, but Trump was referring to the wrong kind of reservoir. You know, the other reservoirs were full. Right.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

Isn't it your job to make sure there's enough water? You know, I mean, and this is what they do when they go after Trump and stuff. Is that like, because Trump will often be like directionally correct. Right. You know, like, oh, but Trump was referring to the wrong kind of reservoir. You know, the other reservoirs were full. Right.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

Isn't it your job to make sure there's enough water? You know, I mean, and this is what they do when they go after Trump and stuff. Is that like, because Trump will often be like directionally correct. Right. You know, like, oh, but Trump was referring to the wrong kind of reservoir. You know, the other reservoirs were full. Right.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

It's like, okay, fine, but the reservoir right next to the Pacific Palisades was empty. So, you know, the basic intuition, which is, I think, I often talk about the importance of, you know, like if you're defending civilization, it's a physical thing, right? So I'm always thinking of myself as like... Like there's a physicalism in my worldview, which is like, okay, that's a person. That's a body.

The Tucker Carlson Show
Tucker Carlson and Michael Shellenberger Break Down the California Fires

It's like, okay, fine, but the reservoir right next to the Pacific Palisades was empty. So, you know, the basic intuition, which is, I think, I often talk about the importance of, you know, like if you're defending civilization, it's a physical thing, right? So I'm always thinking of myself as like... Like there's a physicalism in my worldview, which is like, okay, that's a person. That's a body.