Michael Shellenberger

You know, it's that you kind of – it has to be like, no, no, we're not accepting that as an answer. Like the right attitude for the journalist – Is to basically be no excuses. Of course. It makes for like, I mean, maybe the journalists are being too much of a hard ass and too much of a dick about it. Maybe they need to be a little bit whatever. That's fine. That's their role.

You know, it's that you kind of – it has to be like, no, no, we're not accepting that as an answer. Like the right attitude for the journalist – Is to basically be no excuses. Of course. It makes for like, I mean, maybe the journalists are being too much of a hard ass and too much of a dick about it. Maybe they need to be a little bit whatever. That's fine. That's their role.

You know, it's that you kind of – it has to be like, no, no, we're not accepting that as an answer. Like the right attitude for the journalist – Is to basically be no excuses. Of course. It makes for like, I mean, maybe the journalists are being too much of a hard ass and too much of a dick about it. Maybe they need to be a little bit whatever. That's fine. That's their role.

It's like your role is to be the prosecutor against the on the case of the failure. Your role is to be the investigator.

It's like your role is to be the prosecutor against the on the case of the failure. Your role is to be the investigator.

It's like your role is to be the prosecutor against the on the case of the failure. Your role is to be the investigator.

Yeah, the public defender or the prosecutor or the politician, you know. But your point is to be like, oh, no, that can't be right. Because when they go, well, we ran out of water. Well, why did you run out of water? Well, there wasn't enough water. No, well, why wasn't it? Well, because actually it turned out one of the reservoirs didn't have any water in it.

Yeah, the public defender or the prosecutor or the politician, you know. But your point is to be like, oh, no, that can't be right. Because when they go, well, we ran out of water. Well, why did you run out of water? Well, there wasn't enough water. No, well, why wasn't it? Well, because actually it turned out one of the reservoirs didn't have any water in it.

Yeah, the public defender or the prosecutor or the politician, you know. But your point is to be like, oh, no, that can't be right. Because when they go, well, we ran out of water. Well, why did you run out of water? Well, there wasn't enough water. No, well, why wasn't it? Well, because actually it turned out one of the reservoirs didn't have any water in it.

Isn't it your job to make sure there's enough water? You know, I mean, and this is what they do when they go after Trump and stuff. Is that like, because Trump will often be like directionally correct. Right. You know, like, oh, but Trump was referring to the wrong kind of reservoir. You know, the other reservoirs were full. Right.

Isn't it your job to make sure there's enough water? You know, I mean, and this is what they do when they go after Trump and stuff. Is that like, because Trump will often be like directionally correct. Right. You know, like, oh, but Trump was referring to the wrong kind of reservoir. You know, the other reservoirs were full. Right.

Isn't it your job to make sure there's enough water? You know, I mean, and this is what they do when they go after Trump and stuff. Is that like, because Trump will often be like directionally correct. Right. You know, like, oh, but Trump was referring to the wrong kind of reservoir. You know, the other reservoirs were full. Right.

It's like, okay, fine, but the reservoir right next to the Pacific Palisades was empty. So, you know, the basic intuition, which is, I think, I often talk about the importance of, you know, like if you're defending civilization, it's a physical thing, right? So I'm always thinking of myself as like... Like there's a physicalism in my worldview, which is like, okay, that's a person. That's a body.

It's like, okay, fine, but the reservoir right next to the Pacific Palisades was empty. So, you know, the basic intuition, which is, I think, I often talk about the importance of, you know, like if you're defending civilization, it's a physical thing, right? So I'm always thinking of myself as like... Like there's a physicalism in my worldview, which is like, okay, that's a person. That's a body.

It's like, okay, fine, but the reservoir right next to the Pacific Palisades was empty. So, you know, the basic intuition, which is, I think, I often talk about the importance of, you know, like if you're defending civilization, it's a physical thing, right? So I'm always thinking of myself as like... Like there's a physicalism in my worldview, which is like, okay, that's a person. That's a body.

They're in somewhere they shouldn't be. They need to be somewhere else. So we can have a debate about how to move them somewhere else. That's a totally reasonable debate to have. But they can't be there. They can't be there because they're creating fires. They're breaking the law. They're hurting themselves and others. Similarly, there wasn't water there. There needed to be more water.

They're in somewhere they shouldn't be. They need to be somewhere else. So we can have a debate about how to move them somewhere else. That's a totally reasonable debate to have. But they can't be there. They can't be there because they're creating fires. They're breaking the law. They're hurting themselves and others. Similarly, there wasn't water there. There needed to be more water.

They're in somewhere they shouldn't be. They need to be somewhere else. So we can have a debate about how to move them somewhere else. That's a totally reasonable debate to have. But they can't be there. They can't be there because they're creating fires. They're breaking the law. They're hurting themselves and others. Similarly, there wasn't water there. There needed to be more water.

And if you go, okay, well, let's say that they had – All the reservoirs, the potable water reservoirs, let's say they had all been full and they'd still run out of water. Well, then there was some other problem you needed to solve. Maybe you needed more reservoirs or maybe you needed the preparation there.

And if you go, okay, well, let's say that they had – All the reservoirs, the potable water reservoirs, let's say they had all been full and they'd still run out of water. Well, then there was some other problem you needed to solve. Maybe you needed more reservoirs or maybe you needed the preparation there.