Michael Shellenberger

It's like, okay, fine, but the reservoir right next to the Pacific Palisades was empty. So, you know, the basic intuition, which is, I think, I often talk about the importance of, you know, like if you're defending civilization, it's a physical thing, right? So I'm always thinking of myself as like... Like there's a physicalism in my worldview, which is like, okay, that's a person. That's a body.

They're in somewhere they shouldn't be. They need to be somewhere else. So we can have a debate about how to move them somewhere else. That's a totally reasonable debate to have. But they can't be there. They can't be there because they're creating fires. They're breaking the law. They're hurting themselves and others. Similarly, there wasn't water there. There needed to be more water.

They're in somewhere they shouldn't be. They need to be somewhere else. So we can have a debate about how to move them somewhere else. That's a totally reasonable debate to have. But they can't be there. They can't be there because they're creating fires. They're breaking the law. They're hurting themselves and others. Similarly, there wasn't water there. There needed to be more water.

They're in somewhere they shouldn't be. They need to be somewhere else. So we can have a debate about how to move them somewhere else. That's a totally reasonable debate to have. But they can't be there. They can't be there because they're creating fires. They're breaking the law. They're hurting themselves and others. Similarly, there wasn't water there. There needed to be more water.

And if you go, okay, well, let's say that they had – All the reservoirs, the potable water reservoirs, let's say they had all been full and they'd still run out of water. Well, then there was some other problem you needed to solve. Maybe you needed more reservoirs or maybe you needed the preparation there.

And if you go, okay, well, let's say that they had – All the reservoirs, the potable water reservoirs, let's say they had all been full and they'd still run out of water. Well, then there was some other problem you needed to solve. Maybe you needed more reservoirs or maybe you needed the preparation there.

And if you go, okay, well, let's say that they had – All the reservoirs, the potable water reservoirs, let's say they had all been full and they'd still run out of water. Well, then there was some other problem you needed to solve. Maybe you needed more reservoirs or maybe you needed the preparation there.

So you just have to have, I mean, you know, the Bukele type that you'd want to see or somebody. You just have to have somebody that's just like literally no excuses all the way down the line.

So you just have to have, I mean, you know, the Bukele type that you'd want to see or somebody. You just have to have somebody that's just like literally no excuses all the way down the line.

So you just have to have, I mean, you know, the Bukele type that you'd want to see or somebody. You just have to have somebody that's just like literally no excuses all the way down the line.

Oh, well, this is, yeah, this is exactly, it's like, first of all, it's like, I mean, it's just so symbolic. It's the city of angels, you know? So it's like, we're up here and you want it, like the wealthier you get in LA, and I guess with some exceptions like Venice Beach, but mostly you're getting up higher. Oh, yeah. You're moving up, up, up, up, up.

Oh, well, this is, yeah, this is exactly, it's like, first of all, it's like, I mean, it's just so symbolic. It's the city of angels, you know? So it's like, we're up here and you want it, like the wealthier you get in LA, and I guess with some exceptions like Venice Beach, but mostly you're getting up higher. Oh, yeah. You're moving up, up, up, up, up.

Oh, well, this is, yeah, this is exactly, it's like, first of all, it's like, I mean, it's just so symbolic. It's the city of angels, you know? So it's like, we're up here and you want it, like the wealthier you get in LA, and I guess with some exceptions like Venice Beach, but mostly you're getting up higher. Oh, yeah. You're moving up, up, up, up, up.

You're trying to get away from- To the cliffs of Malibu. Yeah. And you end up in the heavens and people talk about, I live in a little tree house. I mean, I get it. I love it. It's like, I live in the Berkeley Hills. I'm not like, you know, but it's like, I'm above all that. I'm away from all that. Like, I'm connected to nature up here, but also, you know, away from all the, you know, the plebes.

You're trying to get away from- To the cliffs of Malibu. Yeah. And you end up in the heavens and people talk about, I live in a little tree house. I mean, I get it. I love it. It's like, I live in the Berkeley Hills. I'm not like, you know, but it's like, I'm above all that. I'm away from all that. Like, I'm connected to nature up here, but also, you know, away from all the, you know, the plebes.

You're trying to get away from- To the cliffs of Malibu. Yeah. And you end up in the heavens and people talk about, I live in a little tree house. I mean, I get it. I love it. It's like, I live in the Berkeley Hills. I'm not like, you know, but it's like, I'm above all that. I'm away from all that. Like, I'm connected to nature up here, but also, you know, away from all the, you know, the plebes.

And so you actually, I think they do, it's that whole thing. We talk about people being in a bubble. You know, I mean, it's like the most bubbly place in the world, except for that it's not. And you're in a massive fire zone that must be constantly managed. There's consequences of living in these spectacular places. But you've got people that are, it's the whole industry is a fantasy industry.

And so you actually, I think they do, it's that whole thing. We talk about people being in a bubble. You know, I mean, it's like the most bubbly place in the world, except for that it's not. And you're in a massive fire zone that must be constantly managed. There's consequences of living in these spectacular places. But you've got people that are, it's the whole industry is a fantasy industry.

And so you actually, I think they do, it's that whole thing. We talk about people being in a bubble. You know, I mean, it's like the most bubbly place in the world, except for that it's not. And you're in a massive fire zone that must be constantly managed. There's consequences of living in these spectacular places. But you've got people that are, it's the whole industry is a fantasy industry.

I mean, it's just exists to construct a fantasy reality. And yeah, you would hope that people would be able to compartmentalize. Yeah, my day job is constructing fantasies that we charge. you know, $20 to stream. But I know that when I go home that like all the brush has to be cleared around my house and I have to vote for candidates that are physicalists. I mean, look at physicalists. Yeah.