Michael Shermer

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4,120 appearances 2 recordings 2 series first heard Feb 2026 last heard 9 Jul

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American Alchemy with Jesse Michels · I Debated UFOs With America’s Top Skeptic (It Got Ugly…) · 9 Jul 2026 podcast

I think you're arguing for this being non-human.

Well, it could be.

Okay, so, but if it's non-human, what would it be?

Okay, so then, so my third category is extraordinary extraterrestrials.

So these are aliens.

These are...

OK, now I know non-human intelligence does not mean aliens.

So the people on the UAP panel are going, Schirmer, don't say aliens because it could be something else.

Like, OK, what else could it be?

Interdimensional beings or far future human time travelers.

All right.

Now I think we're really getting into speculation there.

But you mentioned up top that it's important to have epistemic humility involved.

which I agree with.

And so we have a limited scope of reality as humans.

How many of the millions of species on Earth think that they're apex predators when they're not?

Because the apex predator above them just exists at a higher scope.

And you know that the history of science and cosmological models building is all the history of umwelts and the ability to, you know, scope out new territory, whether it's James Webb on the macro scale or, you know, room at the bottom, you know, as Feynman said,

You know, we have, you know, increasingly granular electron microscopes and we're doing the Large Hadron Collider and stuff like that to detect sub quark stuff.

So, you know, to say that we won't bump into, you know, some sort of species above us and then you have all sorts of observable anomalies that we're seeing.

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