Michael Shermer

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American Alchemy with Jesse Michels · I Debated UFOs With America’s Top Skeptic (It Got Ugly…) · 9 Jul 2026 podcast

And then, you know, you can't really come up with the drone thing, but you could come up with some sort of, maybe some spoofing technology in the sky that's sensitive, that's co-located.

It's really hard.

But then you get into the fact that in Japan, next to their civilian nuclear energy grid in Fukushima, they have a mountain called Mount Sengunmori, which is dedicated to UFOs.

Bariloche, Argentina, next to their civilian energy grid.

You have UFOs showing up and you have a famous case in 95 with a commercial plane.

You have similar accounts at Chernobyl.

So it's global.

Commercial airline pilots in the 1960s and 70s being startled at UFOs that are streaking above them at like three or four times their speed, two or three times the height that they're at at 35,000 feet.

They were seeing the U-2 spy plane or the SR-71 Blackbird, but they didn't know about that because that was secret.

OK, so how do you know that some of these are not some of them are not like the next generation of DARPA CIA type spy planes or whatever that we haven't heard about?

Again, between 1945 and 1953, before the U-2 spy plane, I just don't know.

I understand all of the like, oh, yeah, we used to mistake the U-2, the SR-71, things like that.

But we're talking about before that we have thousands of documents that comport exactly with the stuff in this book that occurs later on.

So I just, you know, as early as the first case in this book is 1945 Hanford plutonium.

Okay, go ahead and give me your best speculation about what you think whatever it is is doing at our nuclear sites.

I don't know, but I don't think our current science explains it, and I think it's worthy of further inquiry.

And I feel like the skeptical mode is shutting down the conversation.

But you know who would care is the government would care.

They would care deeply if somebody was messing around.

And they do.

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