Michael Wolff

You know, Trump's interest in beauty pageants, Epstein with Victoria's Secret girls.

That's what they were in constant pursuit of.

And then people say to me, but you don't mean to say that Donald Trump was interested in little girls.

And I say, listen, what I know is they were interested in models.

How old are models?

Models certainly at that point in time were anywhere from, I don't know, 14 to 20, basically.

Well, then you would be incorrect in that because that's what they were.

Well, they were deeply interested in the royal family, both of them.

And why were they interested in the royal family?

Because the royal family was a great social climbing vector.

You remember, both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein are always trying to raise money.

Where do we get money from?

And Donald Trump, by that point, had gone through several bankruptcies.

I mean, nobody at this point is blue chip.

So how do you raise money, fairly large sums of money?

Well, you raise money by knowing people who can give you access to money.

How do you know those people?

Well, there are lots of ways, lots of social climbing ways, but one of the best ways is to know someone in the royal family.

So it was both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein became in hot pursuit of access to the royal family.

most successfully with prince andrew but at one point then they had this competition and it was you know this was this i don't know how serious this was or how it was just to amuse them about who would be the first one to sleep with diana this was after the marriage to charles had basically broken up did anybody win