Michael Wolff

They were interested, both of them were interested

primarily in the two things they were interested in were women, girls, and money, get rich quick money stuff.

And the girls, women, girls they were interested in, obsessively so, fetishistically in a way, were models.

And remember, this was the age of the model, supermodels, runway models, catalog models, Eastern European models, and a wide population of girls who just dreamed of being models.

That's what happened.

That's what they saw as status.

That was the thing that turned them on, I suppose.

You know, Trump's interest in beauty pageants, Epstein with Victoria's Secret girls.

That's what they were in constant pursuit of.

And then people say to me, but you don't mean to say that Donald Trump was interested in little girls.

And I say, listen, what I know is they were interested in models.

How old are models?

Models certainly at that point in time were anywhere from, I don't know, 14 to 20, basically.

Well, then you would be incorrect in that because that's what they were.

Well, they were deeply interested in the royal family, both of them.

And why were they interested in the royal family?

Because the royal family was a great social climbing vector.

You remember, both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein are always trying to raise money.

Where do we get money from?

And Donald Trump, by that point, had gone through several bankruptcies.