Michael Wolff

That, I don't know.

Sure.

So in 2014, I had known Epstein somewhat before this.

He was a member of a group of wealthy men who in 2004, 2005 tried to buy New York Magazine where I worked and was the lead writer.

So I got to know him fairly well during this period.

um he did not his group did not end up buying new york magazine um um not long after that his legal problems began um and then he went to jail so i didn't really have any um um much i didn't have any involvement with him until he got out of jail

Called me, we got together and in then in 2014, he asked me to write about him a book magazine article.

Um, you know, clearly he was interested in being rehabilitated.

Um, he had gone to jail, you know, he's for 2 counts of prostitution.

1, 1 of those, those counts being under an under age.

A girl and had was a registered sex offender, so he wanted.

He wanted to return to his, his, his life and in large measure he had.

You know, still lived in his enormous house in Manhattan.

Many people of influence and note were showing up.

But he wanted to continue this rehabilitation, and he figured if someone wrote about him, that would help.

And I said, well, actually, I'm probably not the person, and I'm probably not interested in that.

And he said, that's fine.

You know, I certainly didn't have to make a decision.

And he said, well, why don't if you're interested, why don't you just come whenever you'd like to talk to me?

See if my story is interesting to you.