Michael Wolff

I mean, nobody at this point is blue chip.

So how do you raise money, fairly large sums of money?

Well, you raise money by knowing people who can give you access to money.

How do you know those people?

Well, there are lots of ways, lots of social climbing ways, but one of the best ways is to know someone in the royal family.

So it was both Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein became in hot pursuit of access to the royal family.

most successfully with prince andrew but at one point then they had this competition and it was you know this was this i don't know how serious this was or how it was just to amuse them about who would be the first one to sleep with diana this was after the marriage to charles had basically broken up did anybody win

That, I don't know.

Sure.

So in 2014, I had known Epstein somewhat before this.

He was a member of a group of wealthy men who in 2004, 2005 tried to buy New York Magazine where I worked and was the lead writer.

So I got to know him fairly well during this period.

um he did not his group did not end up buying new york magazine um um not long after that his legal problems began um and then he went to jail so i didn't really have any um um much i didn't have any involvement with him until he got out of jail

Called me, we got together and in then in 2014, he asked me to write about him a book magazine article.

Um, you know, clearly he was interested in being rehabilitated.

Um, he had gone to jail, you know, he's for 2 counts of prostitution.

1, 1 of those, those counts being under an under age.

A girl and had was a registered sex offender, so he wanted.

He wanted to return to his, his, his life and in large measure he had.

You know, still lived in his enormous house in Manhattan.