Michael Wolff

See if you feel that I'm straightforward.

And also, there's many interesting people who come to my house.

And if you're interested, I will invite you on occasion.

Anyway, nothing not to be not interested in here.

And I said, you know, yeah, sure.

No commitments necessary.

And we did begin to talk.

And he did begin to invite me to some interesting gatherings at his house.

And I was, you know, I was, you know, his story was certainly interesting.

You could not help but be somewhat interested by this story.

But then, and this rolls into your next question, in 2015, Donald Trump started a run for president.

I started to cover his campaign, and that would ultimately be he would obviously win, and I started to cover his years in the White House.

And Epstein at that point and our relationship had been relatively infrequent.

But at that point, he became a very interesting window for me into who Donald Trump really was, because Epstein and Trump had been the best of friends.

I mean, I don't mean just casual friends, acquaintances, someone he knew.

I mean, the best of friends.

Possibly I I think they were the most important relationship, non family relationship in each others lives.

And and his insights about Donald Trump, his knowledge about Donald Trump, his appreciation of all of the.

you know, both gifts and otherwise about Donald Trump was immense.

So he became very, very helpful to me.