Michael Wolff

But at that point, he became a very interesting window for me into who Donald Trump really was, because Epstein and Trump had been the best of friends.

I mean, I don't mean just casual friends, acquaintances, someone he knew.

I mean, the best of friends.

Possibly I I think they were the most important relationship, non family relationship in each others lives.

And and his insights about Donald Trump, his knowledge about Donald Trump, his appreciation of all of the.

you know, both gifts and otherwise about Donald Trump was immense.

So he became very, very helpful to me.

And we continued our relationship right up until he was arrested.

And then a month later after his arrest,

he died.

And during this long period of time, from 2014 to 2019, many of our conversations, and obviously with his knowledge, were recorded.

And those are recordings that I now have.

Well, as I say, he was enormously detailed about his relationship.

He was, I mean, obviously, Donald Trump had

had was about to become or was in the process of becoming the president and then became the president.

So this became obviously a substantial fact in Jeffrey Epstein's life.

His best friend had become the president.

Now, this was a friendship that stopped

over a dispute, a real estate dispute in 2004, and they became bitter enemies.

And briefly, and I recount this in one of my books,