Michelle Hackman

Not something I ever thought I would be talking about at work.

I definitely think that there's a broadening going on here that we have to think about art in sort of new ways.

In some ways, it's really fun to think about, like, you know, what counts as art, what counts as worthy art.

Holman framed it that way today.

He said, we've accomplished everything that we've wanted to here in Minnesota.

But if you read between the lines, I think they are actually looking for a way to de-escalate.

They did make a lot of arrests.

It remains to be seen how many of those people will actually be deported.

Absolutely.

You saw the administration do an about-face.

They were proud of their work in Minnesota.

I would say pretty much up through the shooting of Alex Preddy in Minnesota a few weeks ago.

And at that point, criticism of their operations boiled over.

It wasn't just Democrats.

It was coming from Republicans saying this looked too chaotic.

So they reversed course.

They put in Tom Homan.

They sort of

cut off the chain of command that had already been there in Minnesota.

Democrats in Minnesota are saying, we stood up to ICE and we won.